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[FRAFPDD]

Sure, but you dont actually know for a fact that Alonso did it?

Ok youre either trying to start a fight as usual or are just plain thick to understand what i just said. THE WING DOES NOT OPEN ITSELF. can you put two and two together???

Don't the drivers get to press the button in between the DRS timing line, and the actual DRS zone?

Maybe Alonso pressed it whilst at the end of the DRS straight because it hadn't opened, and it didn't register he wasn't in the zone after the corner, opened again before Alonso noticed it, and hit the override button to close it.

When the drivers brake it closes, so it would have closed for the hairpin. After the hairpin he would have noticed the light still flashing and thats when it reopened again which is what everyone saw.

No im not, and im not thick either.

Im asking you a simple question, but you wont answer it? You can give me all the " it doesnt set off by itself talk", you may even be right!

But, you dont actually have any proof Alonso did it? Ferrari could have set it off, and the wing could have malfunctioned.

So.....Whehther you think he did or not, you dont actually know for sure that Alonso did it?, that is quite simply all im after here bud!

[bud]

Sure, but you dont actually know for a fact that Alonso did it?

Ok youre either trying to start a fight as usual or are just plain thick to understand what i just said. THE WING DOES NOT OPEN ITSELF. can you put two and two together???

Don't the drivers get to press the button in between the DRS timing line, and the actual DRS zone?

Maybe Alonso pressed it whilst at the end of the DRS straight because it hadn't opened, and it didn't register he wasn't in the zone after the corner, opened again before Alonso noticed it, and hit the override button to close it.

When the drivers brake it closes, so it would have closed for the hairpin. After the hairpin he would have noticed the light still flashing and thats when it reopened again which is what everyone saw.

No im not, and im not thick either.

Im asking you a simple question, but you wont answer it? You can give me all the " it doesnt set off by itself talk", you may even be right!

But, you dont actually have any proof Alonso did it? Ferrari could have set it off, and the wing could have malfunctioned.

So.....Whehther you think he did or not, you dont actually know for sure that Alonso did it?, that is quite simply all im after here bud!

OMG you are impossible, you wonder why you have so many problems on here.

IF the only way it is set off is by the driver how are you saying it is set off then? ITS bloody common sense that ALonso set it off because its the only way for it to be set off!

you say youre not thick well prove me wrong, this continual questioning of me proves you are! ive put the evidence out there its 100% accurate and yet its not good enough for you. Seriously mate youre getting on my nerves one more stupid response from you and youre on the block list! Over it.

[FRAFPDD]

Sure, but you dont actually know for a fact that Alonso did it?

Ok youre either trying to start a fight as usual or are just plain thick to understand what i just said. THE WING DOES NOT OPEN ITSELF. can you put two and two together???

Don't the drivers get to press the button in between the DRS timing line, and the actual DRS zone?

Maybe Alonso pressed it whilst at the end of the DRS straight because it hadn't opened, and it didn't register he wasn't in the zone after the corner, opened again before Alonso noticed it, and hit the override button to close it.

When the drivers brake it closes, so it would have closed for the hairpin. After the hairpin he would have noticed the light still flashing and thats when it reopened again which is what everyone saw.

No im not, and im not thick either.

Im asking you a simple question, but you wont answer it? You can give me all the " it doesnt set off by itself talk", you may even be right!

But, you dont actually have any proof Alonso did it? Ferrari could have set it off, and the wing could have malfunctioned.

So.....Whehther you think he did or not, you dont actually know for sure that Alonso did it?, that is quite simply all im after here bud!

OMG you are impossible, you wonder why you have so many problems on here.

IF the only way it is set off is by the driver how are you saying it is set off then? ITS bloody common sense that ALonso set it off because its the only way for it to be set off!

you say youre not thick well prove me wrong, this continual questioning of me proves you are! ive put the evidence out there its 100% accurate and yet its not good enough for you. Seriously mate youre getting on my nerves one more stupid response from you and youre on the block list! Over it.

Ah ok, so Alonso did do it! Well then why isnt he being punished! The FIA are so stupid! God this is an outrage!

[vaptin]

Sure, but you dont actually know for a fact that Alonso did it?

Ok youre either trying to start a fight as usual or are just plain thick to understand what i just said. THE WING DOES NOT OPEN ITSELF. can you put two and two together???

Don't the drivers get to press the button in between the DRS timing line, and the actual DRS zone?

Maybe Alonso pressed it whilst at the end of the DRS straight because it hadn't opened, and it didn't register he wasn't in the zone after the corner, opened again before Alonso noticed it, and hit the override button to close it.

When the drivers brake it closes, so it would have closed for the hairpin. After the hairpin he would have noticed the light still flashing and thats when it reopened again which is what everyone saw.

The system might not have actually set itself to "of" mode, it would close when recieving the of signal cos Alonso pressed the brakes, but possibly once that stimulus was removed opened again without further input?

Let's say in a DRS straight one driver brakes, then accelerates again, would the wing open back up?

At anyrate, it's clear the wing was playing up, isn't that the most likely situation? The wing only opened and closed very quickly, did Alonso have a change of heart?

The rules of course assume that the DRS would only ever be enabled in the activation zone, but the fact that it was opened outside the zone but I don't see how opening it outside the activation zone but with the DRS enabled sign on, gives grounds for illegality? Against the spirit of the rules, but the wording?

[What's Burning?]

As I said, it's either a flagrant misuse of it on the part of Alonso (and anyone else that would have used it) or the whole system clearly doesn't work or it's not ready for prime time and therefore should be scrapped until it's functioning properly. I'm not on a witch hunt here against Alonso, because if anything he may have been trying to make the best of a bad situation but there is a weird silence here that I don't like.

As if the DRS system itself is being defended and no one wants to look behind the curtain. It's obviously flawed!

We don't know if it didn't work for Alonso just a few times or all of the time. Based on the amount of time he spent behind Schumacher there has to be enough filmed evidence to get the exact details of how it was functioning. Why there's an information black hole is what's puzzling me.

[myownalias]

From what I understand of the DRS system; it is controlled by the FIA as and when it sees fit; neither team nor driver can activate it outside the DRS activation zone, so the most lightly explanation is a software bug; it is new technology after-all; their will be inevitable bugs in the system, I believe Ferrari to be innocent in this instance!

FRAFPDD & Bud; let's calm it down please; no need to get personal; state your view and move on, if you have nothing else to add, move along!

[vaptin]

As I said, it's either a flagrant misuse of it on the part of Alonso (and anyone else that would have used it) or the whole system clearly doesn't work or it's not ready for prime time and therefore should be scrapped until it's functioning properly. I'm not on a witch hunt here against Alonso, because if anything he may have been trying to make the best of a bad situation but there is a weird silence here that I don't like.

As if the DRS system itself is being defended and no one wants to look behind the curtain. It's obviously flawed!

We don't know if it didn't work for Alonso just a few times or all of the time. Based on the amount of time he spent behind Schumacher there has to be enough filmed evidence to get the exact details of how it was functioning. Why there's an information black hole is what's puzzling me.

It's gone wrong either way, the only way we can assume no technology fault Alonso randomly pressed the button for it to open without prompting and the DRS isn't intended for it to actively not work when not enabled. And that doesn't discount if not working until 300m before the end of the straight.

[spankyham]

I'd just point out that the DRS was activated going round the hairpin, that's going to hurt you a hell of a lot more than it's going to help. By nature it won't close until he brakes again. My guess is, because of the offset failure, he tried to activate it down the straight by the time he saw the light on, but that would have been very close to his braking zone, he gave it a try after he braked and it opened, now he had to content with it open around the hairpin and it would not close until he brakes again.

No driver would get an advantage from DRS to enable a pass on the short run from turn14(?) to the left hander leading into the start-straight.

[bud]

From what I understand of the DRS system; it is controlled by the FIA as and when it sees fit; neither team nor driver can activate it outside the DRS activation zone, so the most lightly explanation is a software bug; it is new technology after-all; their will be inevitable bugs in the system, I believe Ferrari to be innocent in this instance!

Yes the DRS has a zone set for the race which is controlled by the FIA, and activated within 1 second of the car in front. Similar thing to the timing transponder i would say. Alonso's zone started 300m to the hairpin instead of 750m and continued after the hairpin for another 300m or so. The driver only knows when the DRS is activated when the light flashes in his car so he can then push the button to activate the wing. It doesn't open on its own that would just be ludicrously dangerous.

Why there's an information black hole is what's puzzling me.

FIA cover up because their system screwed up? probably why they wont penalise Alonso and piss LDM off just after he complained about these new stupid gimmicks.

[vaptin]

I'd just point out that the DRS was activated going round the hairpin, that's going to hurt you a hell of a lot more than it's going to help. By nature it won't close until he brakes again. My guess is, because of the offset failure, he tried to activate it down the straight by the time he saw the light on, but that would have been very close to his braking zone, he gave it a try after he braked and it opened, now he had to content with it open around the hairpin and it would not close until he brakes again.

No driver would get an advantage from DRS to enable a pass on the short run from turn14(?) to the left hander leading into the start-straight.

I don't think it was open through the hair pin, the video on the bbc site (which you can't see I think) shows it opening after the hairpin.

[bud]

I'd just point out that the DRS was activated going round the hairpin, that's going to hurt you a hell of a lot more than it's going to help. By nature it won't close until he brakes again. My guess is, because of the offset failure, he tried to activate it down the straight by the time he saw the light on, but that would have been very close to his braking zone, he gave it a try after he braked and it opened, now he had to content with it open around the hairpin and it would not close until he brakes again.

No driver would get an advantage from DRS to enable a pass on the short run from turn14(?) to the left hander leading into the start-straight.

But it would automatically turn off once he broke for the hairpin. So the wing was closed for it. On the exit of the hairpin trailing Schumi the light would still be on because of the zone bug so he activated it again because it was lit up like christmas.

[spankyham]

That is not taken from practice or qualifying?

No mate, I got it from another forum, but it originates from here http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/

[FRAFPDD]

Can we not just put some faith in the stewards, who have a complete novel of information at their disposal compared to our single page, that the wing has just receieed a late signal from Alonso pressing the Button and as such it set itself on and off late?

Even if Alonso had set the button off right at the point it went on, its the FIA's fault for flashing the button?

[spankyham]

I'd just point out that the DRS was activated going round the hairpin, that's going to hurt you a hell of a lot more than it's going to help. By nature it won't close until he brakes again. My guess is, because of the offset failure, he tried to activate it down the straight by the time he saw the light on, but that would have been very close to his braking zone, he gave it a try after he braked and it opened, now he had to content with it open around the hairpin and it would not close until he brakes again.

No driver would get an advantage from DRS to enable a pass on the short run from turn14(?) to the left hander leading into the start-straight.

But it would automatically turn off once he broke for the hairpin. So the wing was closed for it. On the exit of the hairpin trailing Schumi the light would still be on because of the zone bug so he activated it again because it was lit up like christmas.

My understanding is that the initiation of braking closes the DRS, I think he tried to activate it very late cause he saw the light eventually come on, but he had already initiated braking so had gone past the DRS-close actuation, he would have had to release braking and rebrake to get it to close (but I don't think you'd want to stop braking from a 1K straight into a hairpin

DC also mentioned that the DRS was open on Nando cars round the hairpin.

[What's Burning?]

It would be a shame if there wasn't a full and detailed official FIA explanation of the issue and what's being done to correct it before Turkey and so it doesn't happen again.

Where's Jack Master when you need him.