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[racechick]

The damage wasn't caused by him actually. If you're referring to the off he had? well you can clearly see the floor was loose before he hit the kerb. That off was probably caused by the lack of downforce from the loose splitter/floor which would have been unexpected.

really? i thought he damaged the floor when he went off... ah well

No it was before. i wasnt sure, but now I watched the whole race replay
and you can clearly see the damage before he goes off...probably caused his off. after that he just drove around the problem and maintained second place. Pretty good id say. Also he was reeling Vetel in earlier on. Again not bad when McLaren were nowhere two weeks ago.

[Amanda]

Ok, so seems Sauber were DQ'd because the top element on the rear wing (the one that moves with the DRS) had too small a surface area along the very top edge, according to James Key. What a ridiculously obscure thing to be DQ'd for! Pretty hacked off now... Apparently it has zero performance effect so hopefully they might have some luck with their appeal, but i am not getting my hopes up.

Downside: the endless, kubica would have lapped the field 10 times if he was racing talk is soon to surface.

Yeah, get over yourself.

Touch a nerve did i?

Yeah, but only because you had the gall to say something so arrogant and condescending for no reason whatsoever!

I apologise you dont appreciate it, but its sure as hell gonna happen, especially if Petrovs top results are consistent. Theres really not much else to talk about other then, we'll see, and we will.

Has already started on other forum im on btw, apparently Kubica would of won the race if he was taking part. When i see Kubica finally dance to the high-noted tune of his fan club, then i wont feel the need to bring his talent down to earth, where it belongs.

Rather than trying to predict what will happen in the coming weeks and whinging about it, how about we just wait and see.

As far as I can see no one on this forum is idolizing Kubica. I think most people are simply saying that it's a shame Kubica isn't racing, not because he'd run rings around everyone but because it's obviously a decent car and if it wasn't for his accident he'd probably be up there scoring points with Petrov.

[FRAFPDD]

Ok, so seems Sauber were DQ'd because the top element on the rear wing (the one that moves with the DRS) had too small a surface area along the very top edge, according to James Key. What a ridiculously obscure thing to be DQ'd for! Pretty hacked off now... Apparently it has zero performance effect so hopefully they might have some luck with their appeal, but i am not getting my hopes up.

Downside: the endless, kubica would have lapped the field 10 times if he was racing talk is soon to surface.

Yeah, get over yourself.

Touch a nerve did i?

Yeah, but only because you had the gall to say something so arrogant and condescending for no reason whatsoever!

I apologise you dont appreciate it, but its sure as hell gonna happen, especially if Petrovs top results are consistent. Theres really not much else to talk about other then, we'll see, and we will.

Has already started on other forum im on btw, apparently Kubica would of won the race if he was taking part. When i see Kubica finally dance to the high-noted tune of his fan club, then i wont feel the need to bring his talent down to earth, where it belongs.

Rather than trying to predict what will happen in the coming weeks and whinging about it, how about we just wait and see.

As far as I can see no one on this forum is idolizing Kubica. I think most people are simply saying that it's a shame Kubica isn't racing, not because he'd run rings around everyone but because it's obviously a decent car and if it wasn't for his accident he'd probably be up there scoring points with Petrov.

Dont remember whinging about, i rememer someone whinging at me cause i said it though.......

Your bold, and why do you say this? I dont mind them idolzing him, i dont mind them idolizing narain karthikeyan. Im sure nobody would mind me idolizing Hamilton (although idolizing is a push), that doesnt mean if i go saying Hamilton is so much better then the rest of the field they should all be licking his big toe, im justified to say it cause hes my favourite driver. Theres a line of objectivity you have to stay behind to be taken seriously, and most of what ive seen (whether its in this forum or not is irrelevant) is Kubica being given a free pass to p*ss all over that line, mainly cause hes dont nothing threat-worthy to the other drivers that his fans are allowed to make such absurd claims about his talent.

[EagleF1-27]

Was an interesting race, probably as its the first of the season with many different rules and a new tyre supplier. Pleasantly surprised Hamilton was able to last on his tyres considering the way he drives, maybe he has changed his style, but at the circuits with more tyre wear we will see. The floor of his car was damaged before he went off, I guess they need to look at strengthening the point at which it attaches at the front. But then considering the amount of changes they had to make with little remaining testing its not surprising there are going to be teething problems. Just as well he was able to drive round the problem.
This adjustable rear wing still seems to cause overtake problems as Martin and David were pointing out, as the drivers werent able to activate it until actually on the straight due to the aero difference front to back upsetting balance out of last corner. If this becomes an issue they might have to look into having an adjustable front wing in future to compensate.
I think the highlight actually was watching Button trying to get round Massa.

[scotty]

Wait a sec, how come this infringement on the Sauber wasn't noticed after qualifying yesterday? That annoys me even more!!

[vlad]

Yes, I was thinking the same way. They certainly didn't put it this morning.

[FRAFPDD]

I can only hope, as futile as it is, that the decision is retracted.

I dont know who i blame more, sauber for getting disqualifed for something that didnt even give your car extra performance,

or the stewards for not spotting it post qualifying, and disqualifying them for something that gives no added performance.


Cant blame the stewards for enforcing rules though, but ffs let it go.

If they can somehow prove it doesnt add performance to the car they might get a reversal on the decision.


Also, has anyone noticed that Kobayashi finished only 13 seconds behind Perez, yet had to pit once more because he was using his quali tyres, if they start qualifying in 10th to 15th place, they can go for one stops in a lot of races this year, im sure both saubers could of done 1 stop but Koba had scrubbed ones. Even if they dont qualify 1th to 13th and say 7th-10th and pit the same amount as anyone else they can nab points! They could turn out the be the most consistent point scoring midfield team at least cause their qualifying position might not matter if its from 7th-15th

[Forza_Rosso]

After the race I just wanted to Argh, I was so excited about Ferrari's test pace that I was sure they'd be at the front fighting for it. Oh man now I can't wait for Malaysia.

[scotty]

After the race I just wanted to Argh, I was so excited about Ferrari's test pace that I was sure they'd be at the front fighting for it. Oh man now I can't wait for Malaysia.

Well, i think i would be right in saying that Alonso finished 30 seconds off the lead but made one extra stop compared to the podium finishers, so it's not all doom and gloom for Ferrari. Massa really was slow today though.

Looking at the general race pace, i would dare say that Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso all had similar(ish) net pace today. I'd love it if that became a theme of the season and the title fight - the best 3 drivers on the grid right now, all in different teams fighting at the front.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

The drag reduction system was a colossal failure. After all the kerfuffle over the extra 10-12 mph top speed and fears it would make passing too easy, I could see exactly one pass that clearly was facilitated by the DRS.

Tweaking the 1-second rule probably won't improve its effectiveness because, regardless of what the regulations say, Sir Isaac's rules take precedence. As Adrian Sutil aptly demonstrated in Q2, opening the DRS a fraction of a second before being fully established on the straight activates the car's built-in spin cycle.

And the CURSE also gave a fine accounting of itself, since a team not utilising it won the race by 22 seconds (greatest margin of victory since, IIRC, Spain 2010).

...The damage wasn't caused by him actually. If you're referring to the off he had? well you can clearly see the floor was loose before he hit the kerb. That off was probably caused by the lack of downforce from the loose splitter/floor which would have been unexpected.

So your claim is the damage faeries broke his tea tray?

Yes, of course he caused it. The vertical strut which should have been holding up the splitter was absent. LH either had run over a kerb earlier in the lap and destroyed it or he'd been paid a visit from the damage faeries. For his sake, he'd better be able to convince the scrutineers it wasn't the damage faeries because TR 3.13.1.b allows no more than 1mm of wear from the skid block. He probably lost more than 1mm just in the one four-off, after which he proceeded to drag the skid block on the tarmac for the remaining 25 laps. I don't think there's any doubt his plank will fail post-race inspection. If the stewards deem that it failed because of insufficient construction, he will be penalized. If LH can convince them it collapsed as the result of a racing incident, they might excuse it.

And I suspect the scrutineers -- like me -- also will be very interested in the way Hambone's broken tea tray appeared to flap as if it were hinged where it joins to the tub, just as RBR's and Ferrari's did last year (and such as now is banned by the TR).

[cap-dude]

Massa and Alonso did set the fastest laps, so not all doom and gloom. Although thats only because they were pushing the whole way through the race unlike Vettel and Hamilton. But regardless its a good sign.

Have to say though, Nick Heidfeld what the feck happened there. 2 seconds off Petrov in quali I think. Then the only cars he finished in front of where the Lotus and Virgin cars. In the same car that finished on the podium. Hmmm. Questions will be asked at Renault no doubt.

[The_Stig_Money]

Good race, good start for SV, i hope he keeps it up.

Turns out RBR had NO KERS for Q and the race, less weight makes sense

WTF is Sauber thinking? they had a brilliant race and Q (and they are on my fantasy team)

I think the DRS + KERS may aid in overtaking this year... but so much technology and buttons just to overtake takes away drivers skill.


Has any rookie ever scored points in his first F1 race (Sergio Perez DQed)?

[racechick]

The drag reduction system was a colossal failure. After all the kerfuffle over the extra 10-12 mph top speed and fears it would make passing too easy, I could see exactly one pass that clearly was facilitated by the DRS.

Tweaking the 1-second rule probably won't improve its effectiveness because, regardless of what the regulations say, Sir Isaac's rules take precedence. As Adrian Sutil aptly demonstrated in Q2, opening the DRS a fraction of a second before being fully established on the straight activates the car's built-in spin cycle.

And the CURSE also gave a fine accounting of itself, since a team not utilising it won the race by 22 seconds (greatest margin of victory since, IIRC, Spain 2010).

...The damage wasn't caused by him actually. If you're referring to the off he had? well you can clearly see the floor was loose before he hit the kerb. That off was probably caused by the lack of downforce from the loose splitter/floor which would have been unexpected.

So your claim is the damage faeries broke his tea tray?

Yes, of course he caused it. The vertical strut which should have been holding up the splitter was absent. LH either had run over a kerb earlier in the lap and destroyed it or he'd been paid a visit from the damage faeries. For his sake, he'd better be able to convince the scrutineers it wasn't the damage faeries because TR 3.13.1.b allows no more than 1mm of wear from the skid block. He probably lost more than 1mm just in the one four-off, after which he proceeded to drag the skid block on the tarmac for the remaining 25 laps. I don't think there's any doubt his plank will fail post-race inspection. If the stewards deem that it failed because of insufficient construction, he will be penalized. If LH can convince them it collapsed as the result of a racing incident, they might excuse it.

And I suspect the scrutineers -- like me -- also will be very interested in the way Hambone's broken tea tray appeared to flap as if it were hinged where it joins to the tub, just as RBR's and Ferrari's did last year (and such as now is banned by the TR).

It wasnt caused in the off we saw on the television, which is what was originally considered to be the cause. Of course something caused it. A curb, debris, part failure . Im sure it will be analysed until they find out why it happened.

[scotty]

Has any rookie ever scored points in his first F1 race (Sergio Perez DQed)?

Yes, that's happened loads of times

[Denthúl]

Has any rookie ever scored points in his first F1 race (Sergio Perez DQed)?

Hamilton, Vettel, Webber, Bourdais, Buemi and Villeneuve are just a few that I can come up with.