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#150182
true but Ferrari live to race and know they can win. Toyota on the other hand are in the wilderness and not a David or a Golieth


I would say a Goliath is exactly what Toyota is. A great big loser...


With small balls made of sponge cake :P
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By EwanM
#150193
It seems to me that if MB buys into Brawn, supplies McLaren, Force India, Red Bull and possibly Williams and perhaps some of the new teams as well as being a partner with McLaren this is fast becoming a Mercedes Benz racing series in which it competes with itself.
With this level of presence, MB gets access to a lot of information that will not come to the remaining members of the grid and hence it could be come a very boring form of racing. If an example of this is required just look at the IRL.
One engine+one chassis= very boring racing.
If the FIA does not step in, F1 will lose its appeal and will no longer be the so called pinnacle of motor sport. It has already lost credibility over the scandals with one to come. Continuing to dilute the gene pool of F1 is a road to disaster!


JET!

I know you, your that nice guy who reads the articles I post on here.
Thank you for that. Also I agree in prinicple with what you are saying.

You have to remember the circumstances surrounding the Cosworth DFV becoming such a force. Despite it being the best engine out there, the FIA allowed Cosworth to get into such a position because it was cheap to run for the teams and it allowed them to keep Ford in the sport.

You have to remember that in the late 60s some of the big F1 backers left and the likes of Firestone started charging for Tyres. With this, the FIA had to try and make the sport affordable for the teams. To do this they finally allowed sponsorship as well as tried to strike deals with the likes of Cosworth to create a buy-off-the-shelf engine which was reliable, powerful and cheap.

It also allowed for the fascinating game of Aero v Power.
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By f1usa
#150228
The Brawn equity deal and rumored Red Bull/Mercedes engine package announcements are being put on hold. Is Norbert Haug of Mercedes-Benz waiting until Max Mosley's tenure as FIA president expires.
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By bud
#150230
The Brawn equity deal and rumored Red Bull/Mercedes engine package announcements are being put on hold. Is Norbert Haug of Mercedes-Benz waiting until Max Mosley's tenure as FIA president expires.

What's that got to do with anything?
#150231
Maybe now they'll finally put the damned logo on the Car. I've been waiting so long for them to do it >_<


What logo, the delmonte logo?

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By Gaz
#150235
Maybe now they'll finally put the damned logo on the Car. I've been waiting so long for them to do it >_<


What logo, the delmonte logo?

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By bud
#150237
Having been to the MTC I can say there is a strong Mercedes presence and feel at the place, If Mercedes do infact buy into another team I see it as an act of betrayal to a long partnership!
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By Rusko
#150242
i just plain don't like ross brawn, and i'm not the biggest button fan. at least if mercedes buy into them this "fairytale" and "amazing, independent team" stuff can end.
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By f1usa
#150244
The Brawn equity deal and rumored Red Bull/Mercedes engine package announcements are being put on hold. Is Norbert Haug of Mercedes-Benz waiting until Max Mosley's tenure as FIA president expires.

What's that got to do with anything?

If the team to replace BMW runs Cosworth power I see no problem with a Red Bull/Mercedes-Benz engine deal. Let Max and the FIA show their hand first, because a 4th team running Mercedes power would bring Max out of his box one last time. The equity deal, who knows.
#150248
Isn't Redbull selling STR next year because they aren't allowed to own 2 teams? Wouldn't the same apply here?


I thought it was because they aren't allowed to have the same chassis. This clearly wouldn't be the case with Mclaren/ Brawn...
#150249
Isn't Redbull selling STR next year because they aren't allowed to own 2 teams? Wouldn't the same apply here?


I thought it was because they aren't allowed to have the same chassis. This clearly wouldn't be the case with Mclaren/ Brawn...


yeh, thats why, str doesnt have enuf resources to have their own chassis's built from scratch
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By bud
#150250
Yes ofcourse! But anyways I don't see why Brawn is such an appealing buy in, they were no where as Honda for years, and it took a new set of rules and alot of Honda money to get them into a race winner. So next season who's to say they will even be up there again!


Brandz Minardi who is now STR constructed their own cars.
#150253
Yes ofcourse! But anyways I don't see why Brawn is such an appealing buy in, they were no where as Honda for years, and it took a new set of rules and alot of Honda money to get them into a race winner. So next season who's to say they will even be up there again!


Brandz Minardi who is now STR constructed their own cars.


yeh but, did minardi have the money to do it..

im sure thats the reason str arent doin it next year
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