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#128889
Thank god he's going. Maybe the FIA will learn from this to work with FOTA in the future as aposed to dictating to them. Cracking result. Now lets get back to racing and personal insults on the forum :wink::wink:
#128896
Thank god he's going. Maybe the FIA will learn from this to work with FOTA in the future as aposed to dictating to them. Cracking result. Now lets get back to racing and personal insults on the forum :wink::wink:

Ok, STFU newbie!!! If we want any poo out of you we will just squeeze your head, how is that :rofl: ?
#128899
Thank god he's going. Maybe the FIA will learn from this to work with FOTA in the future as aposed to dictating to them. Cracking result. Now lets get back to racing and personal insults on the forum :wink::wink:

Ok, STFU newbie!!! If we want any poo out of you we will just squeeze your head, how is that :rofl: ?


i just read that post w/o reading mad maxes and was like wtf?
#128919
Great news looks like Max is gone the teams are happy costs should come down F1 will stay united which will best for everyone the rules will be made by commission :) . Only thing is who will be the next FIA president? I think someone outside of F1 would be good just like McLaren's new chairman came from outside motorsport.
#128946
From The [London] Times:

Max Mosley: ousted in a coup led by his old friend Bernie Ecclestone
Edward Gorman, Motor Racing Correspondent

The tumultuous reign of Max Mosley as president of motor racing’s governing body came to an abrupt end yesterday when he was unceremoniously stripped of his power in a coup led by his old friend Bernie Ecclestone.

In a dramatic confrontation at the Paris headqarters of the Federation Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), Mr Ecclestone, 79, the billionaire promoter of Formula One, told Mr Mosley that his time was up. The autocrat who had reduced the pinnacle championship in world motorsport to chaos was gone.

In a deal that Mr Mosley, 69, tried to present as a personal triumph, he was removed from all influence over Formula One with immediate effect. Not only will he now not stand for re-election for a fourth term as FIA president in October, he will no longer run the sport from this morning, and he will not assume any other role in the FIA from which he could continue to influence affairs.

Mr Mosley had gone to Paris talking tough and making it clear that he might continue bossing one of the world’s richest sports for another four years. By mid-morning his 16-year reign was over and though he remains in office, he is without power.
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Thus, in the end, it was not the disclosures in a Sunday newspaper last year about his appetite for sadomasochistic umpalumpa with prostitutes that brought him down but the confrontational way in which he was trying to run Formula One.

This had provoked a wholesale revolt by the teams against his rule. They were opposed to his attempt to impose a cap on their spending and they had made it clear that if he did not go, they would abandon Formula One and start a rival championship.

This provoked a severe case of the jitters in Mr Ecclestone and in the venture capital company he works for which owns 75 per cent of Formula One — CVC Capital Partners — and they decided that Mr Mosley would have to pay the price for his miscalculation.

His fall comes at the end of 16 months in the life of the son of the wartime Fascist leader, Sir Oswald Mosley, that has tested him to the limit. In March last year the News of the World published photographs of him taking part in an orgy with five prostitutes in a London “torture dungeon”. He then had to explain himself to Jean, his wife of 40 years, and to his two sons, Alexander and Patrick, neither of whom had any idea of his secret passion.

After resolutely refusing to stand down over what he argued was an entirely private matter, Mr Mosley fought back, leading a crusade for change in British privacy laws and reasserting his authority at the FIA. Then last month Alexander Mosley, who was a heroin addict, was found dead at his London flat after taking a drug overdose.

Through it all Mr Mosley had seemed almost bullet-proof and had tried to continue running motor sport in his own very particular style, barely taking time off even in the days after his son’s death. He appeared to see himself as unimpeachable.

His enemies, and they were legion among the teams taking part in Formula One, saw him as a dictator who imposed his will without consultation, who constantly changed the rules and who delighted in attacking those who tried to challenge him. He infamously ridiculed Sir Jackie Stewart, for example, an outspoken critic and a dyslexic, as a “certified half-wit” and only last weekend dismissed team leaders opposed to him as “loonies”. He was instrumental in ending the career of Ron Dennis, the former team principal of Lewis Hamilton’s McLaren Mercedes, and handing that team a world record fine of £50 million for cheating in 2007.

Mr Mosley’s view was that the teams were mere “garagists”, a bunch of self-important upstarts who should be treated with disdain bordering on contempt. He revelled in his role as supreme authority over Formula One and he put huge effort into building his powerbase within the FIA to ensure that he could not be deposed. Not content merely to administer the sport, Mr Mosley was a constant presence behind the scenes, manipulating and plotting and litigating against those who attacked him.

He “worked” the Formula One media and his personal spin-doctor, Richard Woods, was tireless in the pursuit of Mr Mosley’s interests.

Mr Mosley did not work alone. He was very much a part of a double act with Mr Ecclestone, something known within the Formula One paddock as the “Max and Bernie show”. Having become friends in the 1960s, when they were both involved in motorsport as not-very-good drivers and then team owners, they proved a formidable partnership. Mr Ecclestone applied his skills as promoter and Mr Mosley as lawyer and then rules chief after becoming FIA president in 1993. The relationship was far too close for many in the sport’s liking.

A feature of their hegemony was their extraordinary ability to extricate themselves from even the most apocalyptic of crises. A deal was always pulled out of the fire or opponents were persuaded to change their minds in spectacular fashion. Ferrari, for example, was famously lured away from a previous threatened breakaway by a deal under which the Italian team now earns more than any other in Formula One and gets more money for winning than any other team. In the end Max and Bernie always seemed to win.

Mr Mosley wanted to restrict teams to a basic budget of £30 million a year. But even though he allowed his initially simple and ambitious goal to be watered down in response to the objections of the teams, he seemed to be getting nowhere. It became clear that the teams led by an old foe, the president of Ferrari, Luca di Montezemolo, had had enough of him. Even though they wanted to cut spending themselves, they did not want any scheme that gave Mr Mosley a say in how they were running their businesses. They did not trust him. As one team principal put it: “We never want to be at the mercy of Max.”

The teams had one trump card up their sleeve and they played it beautifully — a breakaway series. When eight of the ten outfits on the Formula One grid announced their intention to set up a rival championship, Mr Mosley was in trouble. The breakaway included all the most famous names — teams and drivers — and Mr Ecclestone and CVC Capital could see that it was either a case of “Max goes”, or “Formula One falls to pieces”.

In the end Mr Ecclestone chose saving the sport over standing by his old mucker.
#128969
So Fota will deal directly The FIA Senate, and Von Mosley is still a member of The FIA Senate. Hmmmm, we may not have heard the last of Spanky.
I'll not be happy till he's History.
#128970
Thank god he's going. Maybe the FIA will learn from this to work with FOTA in the future as aposed to dictating to them. Cracking result. Now lets get back to racing and personal insults on the forum :wink::wink:

Ok, STFU newbie!!! If we want any poo out of you we will just squeeze your head, how is that :rofl: ?


Thats more like it you jumped up :censored::rofl:
#128973
Thank god he's going. Maybe the FIA will learn from this to work with FOTA in the future as aposed to dictating to them. Cracking result. Now lets get back to racing and personal insults on the forum :wink::wink:

Ok, STFU newbie!!! If we want any poo out of you we will just squeeze your head, how is that :rofl: ?


Thats more like it you jumped up :censored::rofl:

Ahh you give me too much credit :blush: .
#128975
Wow; I take a day out to deal with my own personal crisis' and come back to Max being stripped of all power with immediate effect. Mosley was the cause of his own downfall; he had some good ideas but went about it the wrong way and paid the price. As for the next FIA president; I'd rather not have Jean Todt or Ron Dennis; I want someone neutral, a radical thinker that will revolutionise the whole organisation. I really hope that Bernie doesn't try to cease power at the FIA as he is an interfering old man; remember the medals system was his idea. That'll be the next battle for FOTA; forcing Bernie and CVC to cough up the money owed and a bigger share of revenues in the future. Although with all the tracks talking about ending their association with F1 because of massive losses being made which is cause and effect of Bernie's high prices to host F1 races; there may not so much money to go around if Bernie is forced to lower his hosting fees. here's a future with more racing and less political BS *Fingers Crossed*
#129062
FOTA: Formula 1 needs 'fresh blood'

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 25th 2009, 15:08 GMT

Stefano DomenicaliThe commitment by Formula 1's current teams to remain in the sport until 2012 has quelled fears about the grid getting decimated by manufacturer withdrawals, but the focus still must be on encouraging new teams.

That is the view of Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali, who has welcomed the team unity that secured a breakthrough deal with the FIA, but thinks it vital that 'fresh blood' is given the chance to shine in F1.

"For sure it is important that F1 will stay as a real F1, that was one of our priorities for the future," explained Domenicali in a press conference held by the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) in Bologna on Thursday.

"For sure we as FOTA, we will welcome the new teams that are coming to F1, but of course it is important to make sure that the value of this formula is to make sure that these companies are able to be in F1 not only for one year but also for the future. And this will give another input to this championship.

"We need to make sure the new ones, who are very welcome, are really part of this business, not because we need to have new teams in terms of numbers, but new in terms of fresh blood into the championship. This is a very important point that we need to make sure of, for the benefit of what we have achieved in these last days."

While the three new teams entered into the championship have yet to comment on their future plans in the wake of the budget cap getting scrapped for next season, FOTA vice chairman John Howett said talks would commence with them next month to sort out if they would join FOTA.

"First of all I think we need to have some dialogue with these teams to establish whether they wish to join FOTA or not," he said. "FOTA is open. We believe dialogue is constructive and positive.

"Obviously before doing that there is the issue of reaching an understanding with them on their position, based on the new regulatory framework. It's too soon to say, but our door is open and I guess in the next two to three weeks, as the total situation is stabilised, we will enter into discussion with them should they wish to meet."

Brawn CEO Nick Fry did not rule out some other teams joining Formula 1 if any of the three chosen outfits was not interested in racing without a budget cap system.

"If one of those three weren't able to get the funding to enter, there a possibility that others might be invited in," Fry told Reuters. "Obviously, we want more teams involved in Formula 1."

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo said he hopes the Concorde Agreement, that will commit teams to F1 until 2012, should be signed off between the teams, the FIA and the sport's commercial owners imminently.

"I'm confident we can find a solution with CVC in the next days - CVC is the company that owns the rights of F1. So our role is in two years, by the end of 2011, to achieve a cost basically like in the 1990s," he explained.

"It means that finally for small or big teams, it's important to think of the balance between cost and the revenues at the end of 2011. We are united in the interests of the sport and I think that yesterday was a very positive and constructive agreement."

He added: "I want to say, one of the important agreements we achieved was an important commitment from manufacturers and big teams to race and continue to be in Formula 1, at least until the end of 2012.

"So in the past, if somebody was worried, maybe after Honda left or somebody else, not now. The car manufacturers and the big teams will remain in Formula 1, and this is the reason why yesterday's agreement is important for us to work together for a better future for F1. F1 needs fresh air, needs ideas, needs improvement, working together to achieve this goal."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76518

FOTA says deal a victory for Formula 1

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 25th 2009, 13:54 GMT

Fomula 1 fansFormula 1 teams believe that their breakthrough deal with the FIA that heads off the threat of a breakaway series is, above all, a victory for fans.

Speaking at a press conference in Bologna on Thursday, the eight members of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) made it clear that they believed the true victory of the deal that commits them to the sport were the supporters.

Renault boss Flavio Briatore said: "We achieved what we want - an F1 with the best drivers, with the best teams and we want to work to have a better show, entertaining better the people.

"We want to make sure the fans are with us, and make sure the fans are enjoying the fight between drivers. In the last six or seven months there was a lot of talk about politics and costs, and I don't believe this is the subject the fans like.

"The fans like a show, they like a race, and we need to talk about sport again. We are happy to achieve this situation, we are happy to work for that."

Toyota F1 president John Howett added: "This has ultimately resulted in a victory for Formula 1. There should be no victor from either side, and now I think we have the possibility of a very stable, sustainable platform that will enable us to continue F1 with the best drivers, the best cars and the best circuits in the world."

BMW motorsport director Mario Theissen was equally encouraged about what the deal meant for the future of the sport.

"I think it has been a very, very strong year for all the teams, for the co-operation," he said. "It was really exceptional to be part of this process and yesterday in my view we have reached a breakthrough situation in the way that we have now a clear view of the future of the sport.

"It is a fantastic day for the sport, for the fans and definitely for us as teams as well. We have a clear view for the format of the series for the future and I think this is a very strong foundation now to come to an agreement and a conclusion on the commercial side as well. Which we will follow in the coming months."

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner added: "I sit here with a duty of care not just to the fans but to our employees as well and I think that with what has taken place over the last 24 hours with the solutions that have been reached I think it is very, very positive for Formula 1.

""We can now focus on the fans, on creating a better show, on creating an even better sport and I think that F1 this year the championship on-track has been a strong championship. Hopefully now focus can be turned back to the circuit and the important factor of going racing. It was great day for Formula 1."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76515

Briatore to help F1 improve show

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, June 25th 2009, 14:45 GMT

Flavio BriatoreRenault boss Flavio Briatore is to work closely with Formula 1's commercial rights holders to help shape the sport's future, as part of the breakthrough deal agreed between the FIA and the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA).

Briatore was already head of FOTA's commercial division and, while work for now will focus on framing a new Concorde Agreement to commit current teams to F1 until 2012, beyond that there will be moves to make F1 better for fans.

Speaking at a FOTA press conference in Bologna on Thursday, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo revealed more details about the agreement that he put together with FIA president Max Mosley.

"We said since the beginning that we were looking for some priority points and I want to thank the FIA World Motor Sport Council for the very positive meeting yesterday and the very constructive attitude towards the interests of F1," explained di Montezemolo.

"We will keep the 2009 rules the same for everybody - this is extremely important. We will have stability in F1 at least until the end of 2012. It means no [extra] cost, because with stability you have no cost.

"We also have governance like in the previous years in which the rules come from clear procedure with the F1 Commission. And we will continue as teams, as car manufacturers, to work for important cost reductions as we have already done with success regarding engines and gearboxes.

"Flavio will also be working with the commercial rights holder to improve the show and the interest in the sport."

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said it was important that the F1 teams listened to the wishes of fans - something he felt had not happened in recent years with the FIA.

"I think as you are aware, FOTA undertook a very interesting survey of fans trying to understand what they wanted," explained Whitmarsh. "The initial work led us to some conclusions that were put before the FIA.

"Unfortunately, none of those suggestions and ideas, which we felt were positive, were accepted. We now have to continue that work.

"We have to be structured in the way that we speak to the audience, asking them what they expect from the sport, the format of the sport, how they understand it, how it's presented, how we provide information. We have to continue the work.

"There is no singular point; I think it is listening to what the audience wants and making sure that we respond to it to improve the show, the spectacle and the information that's provided."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76517
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