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By scotty
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Rather than starting a new thread, i think this is relevant -

New teams set for budget cap boost

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, April 28th 2009, 09:37 GMT

The introduction of a voluntary budget cap that will attract new teams into Formula 1 is expected to be given the green light by the FIA at its World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris tomorrow, AUTOSPORT has learned, even though current teams have baulked at providing a realistic figure to set it at.

FIA president Max Mosley asked teams last week if they could provide him with an idea of what a good financial level the cap should be set at. The original proposal of £30 million is widely accepted as being too low.

Although teams subsequently wrote to Mosley to say that they wanted more time to discuss the matter, AUTOSPORT has learned that this has not stopped the FIA pressing ahead with plans to discuss the budget cap at its WMSC meeting tomorrow.

Although the hearing in Paris was originally called to discuss the lying controversy surrounding McLaren, it is understood that the FIA is to use the opportunity to push through F1's 2010 sporting regulations - which will include the budget cap and entry to the championship.

Despite the teams having not provided a counter argument to the £30 million figure, it is believed that the FIA may choose to keep the final level open pending future discussions with the teams.

However, it will be confirmed that what will become known as the 'Cost Regulated Teams', will be given technical and sporting freedoms compared to those outfits that choose to retain an unlimited budget.

As well as movable wings, an improved underfloor and a higher revving engine, cost regulated teams may also be allowed unlimited in-season testing.

Leading F1 team figures are not opposed to the introduction of a budget cap, but are adamant that it needs to be introduced at the right level.

Toyota president John Howett told AUTOSPORT: "I think it is quite a complex issue. I think the question is, what is included and what is not included?

"Our position at Toyota is that driver salaries should be included if we are serious about actually reducing total costs. There are differences of opinion, of the inclusions and also what happens to people who are supplying engines, as they need a bigger budget. Do we therefore exclude engines?

"So I think nobody actually objects on a major basis, providing it is a high enough gap to be reasonable to our employees with a glide path down that is sensible, and the right discussion and understanding of what is included."

Should the budget cap concept get approval by the FIA WMSC tomorrow, then it will pave the way for a host of new teams to enter F1.

AUTOSPORT understands that it is likely the entries for the 2010 championship will be opened at the end of May, with 13 team slots to be made available in a move to attract new blood into the sport.

Team USF1, Lola, Prodrive and iSport have already gone public in expressing an interest in entering F1.

As well as getting the budget cap, AUTOSPORT has learned that the three new teams that enter F1 in 2010 could be given $10 million (USD) in television rights money and some transportation costs in exchange for constructing their own car and signing up to F1 for a five-year period from 2010 to 2014.


Moveable wings eh?

...and unlimited in-season testing - how ironic! :rolleyes:
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By Frosty
#113097
Rather than starting a new thread, i think this is relevant -

New teams set for budget cap boost

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, April 28th 2009, 09:37 GMT

The introduction of a voluntary budget cap that will attract new teams into Formula 1 is expected to be given the green light by the FIA at its World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris tomorrow, AUTOSPORT has learned, even though current teams have baulked at providing a realistic figure to set it at.

FIA president Max Mosley asked teams last week if they could provide him with an idea of what a good financial level the cap should be set at. The original proposal of £30 million is widely accepted as being too low.

Although teams subsequently wrote to Mosley to say that they wanted more time to discuss the matter, AUTOSPORT has learned that this has not stopped the FIA pressing ahead with plans to discuss the budget cap at its WMSC meeting tomorrow.

Although the hearing in Paris was originally called to discuss the lying controversy surrounding McLaren, it is understood that the FIA is to use the opportunity to push through F1's 2010 sporting regulations - which will include the budget cap and entry to the championship.

Despite the teams having not provided a counter argument to the £30 million figure, it is believed that the FIA may choose to keep the final level open pending future discussions with the teams.

However, it will be confirmed that what will become known as the 'Cost Regulated Teams', will be given technical and sporting freedoms compared to those outfits that choose to retain an unlimited budget.

As well as movable wings, an improved underfloor and a higher revving engine, cost regulated teams may also be allowed unlimited in-season testing.

Leading F1 team figures are not opposed to the introduction of a budget cap, but are adamant that it needs to be introduced at the right level.

Toyota president John Howett told AUTOSPORT: "I think it is quite a complex issue. I think the question is, what is included and what is not included?

"Our position at Toyota is that driver salaries should be included if we are serious about actually reducing total costs. There are differences of opinion, of the inclusions and also what happens to people who are supplying engines, as they need a bigger budget. Do we therefore exclude engines?

"So I think nobody actually objects on a major basis, providing it is a high enough gap to be reasonable to our employees with a glide path down that is sensible, and the right discussion and understanding of what is included."

Should the budget cap concept get approval by the FIA WMSC tomorrow, then it will pave the way for a host of new teams to enter F1.

AUTOSPORT understands that it is likely the entries for the 2010 championship will be opened at the end of May, with 13 team slots to be made available in a move to attract new blood into the sport.

Team USF1, Lola, Prodrive and iSport have already gone public in expressing an interest in entering F1.

As well as getting the budget cap, AUTOSPORT has learned that the three new teams that enter F1 in 2010 could be given $10 million (USD) in television rights money and some transportation costs in exchange for constructing their own car and signing up to F1 for a five-year period from 2010 to 2014.


Moveable wings eh?

...and unlimited in-season testing - how ironic! :rolleyes:

This 2 class formula is going to be completely farcical there will probably a million loopholes in getting around the budget caps, taking advantage of the regulations. How on earth are they going to know how to make the two classes comparable so they can compete for the same title? They can't even get it right with the regulations we have now.
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By texasmr2
#113139
Rather than starting a new thread, i think this is relevant -

Actually it is not relevent to the topic of this thread. :wink:
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By Denthúl
#113149
Rather than starting a new thread, i think this is relevant -

Actually it is not relevent to the topic of this thread. :wink:


Actually, it is. The thread is about the WMSC meeting today, at which budget capping issues will also be discussed. :)
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By Frosty
#113323
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,
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By Denthúl
#113326
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,


I think £50m is more likely, actually. If it was up to me, I'd make it £30m but cap driver salaries. The iSport guy has the right idea - maximum salary of £100,000 regardless of your position within the team? Yes please. Now, if only politicians and bankers would take note... :P
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By Frosty
#113329
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,


I think £50m is more likely, actually. If it was up to me, I'd make it £30m but cap driver salaries. The iSport guy has the right idea - maximum salary of £100,000 regardless of your position within the team? Yes please. Now, if only politicians and bankers would take note... :P

If Driver salaries were capped then I think the drivers would go to other series and F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of motorsport.
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By Denthúl
#113330
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,


I think £50m is more likely, actually. If it was up to me, I'd make it £30m but cap driver salaries. The iSport guy has the right idea - maximum salary of £100,000 regardless of your position within the team? Yes please. Now, if only politicians and bankers would take note... :P

If Driver salaries were capped then I think the drivers would go to other series and F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of motorsport.


Formula One drivers undertake a mass-migration to a series where they'd be on equal terms with all their rivals? You've got to be kidding. One or two would go, I imagine, but those with an ego would stay so that they could have superior equipment :P
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By bud
#113335
driver salaries should be included! though im sure They would go around it by getting "personal" sponsorship for each driver to up their income above the salary!
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By scotty
#113341
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,


I think £50m is more likely, actually. If it was up to me, I'd make it £30m but cap driver salaries. The iSport guy has the right idea - maximum salary of £100,000 regardless of your position within the team? Yes please. Now, if only politicians and bankers would take note... :P

If Driver salaries were capped then I think the drivers would go to other series and F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of motorsport.


It'd get rid of the knobheads who are mainly in for the money, and we'd just be left with the true racers - the cars would still be faster than anything else. :) (Salaries would never be capped at £100k though)
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By Denthúl
#113343
Well tomorrow we will get a lot of detail on how the budget cap is going to work I guess it will be around £40 million,


I think £50m is more likely, actually. If it was up to me, I'd make it £30m but cap driver salaries. The iSport guy has the right idea - maximum salary of £100,000 regardless of your position within the team? Yes please. Now, if only politicians and bankers would take note... :P

If Driver salaries were capped then I think the drivers would go to other series and F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of motorsport.


It'd get rid of the knobheads who are mainly in for the money, and we'd just be left with the true racers - the cars would still be faster than anything else. :) (Salaries would never be capped at £100k though)


It was just an extreme example - the iSport guy is the only one to have mentioned something so low. Personally, I wouldn't mind if driver salaries were capped at £1m. That should be enough for anyone, especially in their tax havens :P
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