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[Frosty]

Push to pass isn't such a bad idea imo as the cars find it so difficult to overtake but that could have been achieved at a fraction of the cost to the teams, without the safety issues and without the waste batteries and green hypocrisy that all come with KERS

Yeah they could of simply said your engines can rev to 1900 for 6.9 seconds a lap instead but then the then couldn't make there crap hypocritical claim that it was trying to be green.

[McLaren Fan]

I know thats not the point i was trying to make, Jensonb and you noddingly suggest KERS is a waste of time and Hydrogen fuel cells are the future. but can you imagine the expense for the manufacturers if they had to go Hydrogen? can you imagine the hard core petrol heads outrage?
like im trying to point out this is a step in the right direction for F1 nothing more nothing less.

I can imagine the outrage if Formula One went the hydrogen route. It would certainly be sad not he hear petrol engines running at high revs. On the other hand, I really feel Formula One has to be an engineering challenge. At the moment, the engines regulations are bland and have been fundamentally the same since 1989. The sport seriously needs to revamp the engine regulations so as to stop this monotony and be more sensitive to the environment. KERS is a step in the right direction, although not the be all and end all. Perhaps something could be done with turbochargers and make fuel efficiency a priority in the sport. But even that's an interim solution. Formula One's long-term future, for me, should not be based around fossil fuels.

[Jensonb]

My point is not about the merits of the use of Kinetic Energy Recovery as it certainly has it's uses, but the implementation in F1. It is so regulated and uniform, in fact to the point of uselessness, (And will apparently go standard, which will make this problem worse) that it has no practical roadcar applications. F1 is supposed to be for the cutting edge in technology, and for years has been headed down the road towards being only nominally a Constructors Formula and not a Control Formula. One of the best ways tog et the big development work back on and creating things with practical applications in roadcars is to lift the limitations on development for Green tachnology. That is a far better solution than a barely-functional push-to-pass system.

[Frosty]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

[Gilles 27]

Yup unrestricted might have been worth something. Still would have proffered it to not happen at all but still better than what we have now

[bud]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

it is unrestricted in how its applied, as seen by Williams' fly wheel concept and the faithful battery storage unit. what is restricted is its HP and amount per lap.
Mosley doenst want it to become a standard piece of equipment because it defeats the purpose of its introduction.

[Jensonb]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

it is unrestricted in how its applied, as seen by Williams' fly wheel concept and the faithful battery storage unit. what is restricted is its HP and amount per lap.
Mosley doenst want it to become a standard piece of equipment because it defeats the purpose of its introduction.

On the other hand, restricting it to identical output for all Teams negates its own use.

[bud]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

it is unrestricted in how its applied, as seen by Williams' fly wheel concept and the faithful battery storage unit. what is restricted is its HP and amount per lap.
Mosley doenst want it to become a standard piece of equipment because it defeats the purpose of its introduction.

On the other hand, restricting it to identical output for all Teams negates its own use.

no it doesnt as seen by the weight issue, Williams on the other hand shouldnt have any weight balance issues if its based around the flywheel.

[Jensonb]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

it is unrestricted in how its applied, as seen by Williams' fly wheel concept and the faithful battery storage unit. what is restricted is its HP and amount per lap.
Mosley doenst want it to become a standard piece of equipment because it defeats the purpose of its introduction.

On the other hand, restricting it to identical output for all Teams negates its own use.

no it doesnt as seen by the weight issue, Williams on the other hand shouldnt have any weight balance issues if its based around the flywheel.

Yes, yes it does. It compromises car design, and yet all the teams only get the same boost out of it. It's supposed to be largely about overtaking. That is not what it is or even practically can be used for.

[bud]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

[Jensonb]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

A little bit, yeah. But I put up with it because it makes the engines cheaper.

[bud]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

A little bit, yeah. But I put up with it because it makes the engines cheaper.

sorta negates the engine makes doesnt it? might as well have a control engine eh?

nobody has issues with the A1GPs push to pass button, ofcourse its used to not only overtake but to defend just like KERS is. but the fact that KERS only has so much power per lap brings the tactical aspect into it.

im sure you wouldnt be whinging if F1 had a push to pass button where it just gave extra HP from the engine alone.

[Jensonb]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

A little bit, yeah. But I put up with it because it makes the engines cheaper.

sorta negates the engine makes doesnt it? might as well have a control engine eh?

nobody has issues with the A1GPs push to pass button, ofcourse its used to not only overtake but to defend just like KERS is. but the fact that KERS only has so much power per lap brings the tactical aspect into it.

im sure you wouldnt be whinging if F1 had a push to pass button where it just gave extra HP from the engine alone.

Push to Pass is a gimmick and the mark of a second class series. The reason nobody whinges about A1GP having it is because A1GP is a waste of time so relatively few people give it the time of day.

[bud]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

A little bit, yeah. But I put up with it because it makes the engines cheaper.

sorta negates the engine makes doesnt it? might as well have a control engine eh?

nobody has issues with the A1GPs push to pass button, ofcourse its used to not only overtake but to defend just like KERS is. but the fact that KERS only has so much power per lap brings the tactical aspect into it.

im sure you wouldnt be whinging if F1 had a push to pass button where it just gave extra HP from the engine alone.

Push to Pass is a gimmick and the mark of a second class series. The reason nobody whinges about A1GP having it is because A1GP is a waste of time so relatively few people give it the time of day.

a true motorsport fan wouldnt belittle A1

[scotty]

Maybe the FIA should of made the KERS unrestricted it would of been interesting to see what would of happened.

it is unrestricted in how its applied, as seen by Williams' fly wheel concept and the faithful battery storage unit. what is restricted is its HP and amount per lap.
Mosley doenst want it to become a standard piece of equipment because it defeats the purpose of its introduction.

On the other hand, restricting it to identical output for all Teams negates its own use.

no it doesnt as seen by the weight issue, Williams on the other hand shouldnt have any weight balance issues if its based around the flywheel.

Yes, yes it does. It compromises car design, and yet all the teams only get the same boost out of it. It's supposed to be largely about overtaking. That is not what it is or even practically can be used for.

Not necessarily a bad thing in my eyes (i get the impression you were hinting at that), it's another technical challenge. I think it's improved the potential to overtake, definitely - Hamilton was pressuring Trulli in Aus at one stage, and he wouldn't have been able to do that without KERS.

On another note, i heard pre-season that the drivers could change the KERS settings to allow a short yet powerful burst and vice versa, did that materialise?