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[bud]

yeah no fuel, he was only weighed in at 637kg. i think he was planning a quick first stint on the softs as he said he could only get 9 laps out of them but because it was wet that just stuffed his strategy right up.

[csrracer]

Seems like the wrong topic to be involved with another Hamilton argument, you should probably take it somewhere else so the rest of us don't have to read through all your quotes to discuss the actual topic.
It's getting really annoying...

I'm a little confused as to why Alonso would have pitted from 2nd place behind the safety car just to come out in last with more fuel. If Renault wanted to change their fuel strategy why didn't they start him from pit row and change the car to a full wet set up? I'm confused as how anyone at Renault would think this was a good idea. I could understand if he was maybe starting back in 12th, but why take him out of 2nd? The visibility and chances of not getting run into on a wet track are way better upfront, Alonso would have been better off letting the field spread out after 7 or 8 laps and come out after the pit stop in maybe 8th or 9th rather than pitting behind the safety car to come out in last.

I don't think he had much fuel left in the car and as Renault have said, they took a gamble with the SC but it just didn't work out.

Seems like they should have had a better plan for the rain,I looked into the weather yesterday and the forecast for Shanghai was rain all day. Why bother even starting in 2nd, if the new their strategy wouldn't work in the rain.They should have started him from pit lane and changed to a wet setup and full fuel. He was going to be in last anyway after an early pit stop.

[darwin dali]

Sorry youre obviously missing the point.. so i'll highlight it for you.

I believe he did...oh but then he is British...so all is well.

Whats his Nationality got to do with it?

Clear enough?

Honestly mate i think you only come on this fourm to cause crap, and i'm not the 1st and proberly won't be the last person to say that.

I can't think of one post you've made thats not been abrasive or sniping at another member, driver or team.

That is what you are so vaginally hurt over? Damn man, I had no idea you were so fragile. Ok, I'm sorry if I hurt your national pride by stating that Hamilton is British and insinuating that most of his fans wouldn't give a rats bottom about him if he were not. This has been stated by the press everywhere from London to China, but if it hurts your feelings I guess I'll retract it. It would take a pretty dull person not to notice the British-Hamilton connection though...even if it were not discussed at such length everywhere on the planet.

http://ascandalandadisgrace.blogspot.co ... -hero.html
http://www.helium.com/items/1182886-pau ... ish-heroes
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/8502/304/
http://news.oneindia.in/2007/06/11/brit ... 74770.html
http://www.nkgoli.net/2007/06/finally-british-hero.html

Billy Stop trying to insinuate your weak bottom attempts to get me riled about Lewis are working.

Your obviously abit thick so i'll i'll spell it out for you.

What does Lewis being "bent out of shape" have to do with him being British?

I get the hamilton british connection the same way its started with Jenson again now its the british Media don't have anythng do with anything tho really does it?

You obviously really disklike Hamilton and i might even go as far to suggest your a racist i'm sure thats not true but you do seam to go out of your way to make it clear you dislike him and mud throw and anyone who questions that. Eitherway You have issues mate.

Stop the BS Longbow! No need to pull the race card here, ok?

[Fact Man]

Seems like the wrong topic to be involved with another Hamilton argument, you should probably take it somewhere else so the rest of us don't have to read through all your quotes to discuss the actual topic.
It's getting really annoying...

I'm a little confused as to why Alonso would have pitted from 2nd place behind the safety car just to come out in last with more fuel. If Renault wanted to change their fuel strategy why didn't they start him from pit row and change the car to a full wet set up? I'm confused as how anyone at Renault would think this was a good idea. I could understand if he was maybe starting back in 12th, but why take him out of 2nd? The visibility and chances of not getting run into on a wet track are way better upfront, Alonso would have been better off letting the field spread out after 7 or 8 laps and come out after the pit stop in maybe 8th or 9th rather than pitting behind the safety car to come out in last.

I don't think he had much fuel left in the car and as Renault have said, they took a gamble with the SC but it just didn't work out.

Seems like they should have had a better plan for the rain,I looked into the weather yesterday and the forecast for Shanghai was rain all day. Why bother even starting in 2nd, if the new their strategy wouldn't work in the rain.They should have started him from pit lane and changed to a wet setup and full fuel. He was going to be in last anyway after an early pit stop.

I too think they should have changed their strategy. He pitted after lap 7 while behind SC (which helps save some fuel) so he should have had enough fuel to last him for another 3-5 laps and let the field spread first and then pit. Yes he would have probably lost a few spots because others would have been able to pass him but he wouldn't have ended last. But it was amazing that in these conditions he managed to go from last to position 7-8 before he lost it.

[EwanM]

I agree, but Renault gambled on a the long safety car, bad luck. Hopefully Alonso can have a strong Bahrain weekend.

[Hexagram]

I'm confident of a podium finish for Alonso in Bahrain next weekend. Had it been dry in China today he was surely on for a good result.

[EwanM]

I'm confident of a podium finish for Alonso in Bahrain next weekend. Had it been dry in China today he was surely on for a good result.

Doubt it in all honesty mate, I think lower end of the points if anything.

[Hexagram]

I'm confident of a podium finish for Alonso in Bahrain next weekend. Had it been dry in China today he was surely on for a good result.

Doubt it in all honesty mate, I think lower end of the points if anything.

It would be nice though wouldn't it?

[AlonsoFan1]

Alonso always has a chance to do well in a race even with the car he has considering his driving abilities.

Am I saying he'll get podium for sure? No. But it's certainly possible.

[csrracer]

Alonso always has a chance to do well in a race even with the car he has considering his driving abilities.

Am I saying he'll get podium for sure? No. But it's certainly possible.

Well I think renault proved their car isn't total crap, granted Alonso was short on fuel in qualifying but it seems that the car is closer to running up front than the Ferrari's, and the Renault engined cars came in 1st and 2nd in the race. Maybe Briatorie should stop all his whining and Ecelstone a** kissing and get on with improving the car and their race stategy, so Alonso could have the tools to challenge for a podium.

[bud]

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-new ... unishment/

Today’s Spanish newspapers report that Fernando Alonso and the Renault team might have been on the receiving end of an unofficial punishment meted out by race director Charlie Whiting during yesterday’s Chinese Grand Prix.

The quotidian paper 20 Seconds suggests that the Spaniard, on a very light fuel load, was penalised by the race being started under the Safety Car and the Safety Car only being withdrawn once the Spaniard had pitted. The double world champion lost out considerably as a result of this, falling from 2nd on the grid to the rear of the pack. He still managed to finish ninth, however.

Speculation surrounds the decision by race director Charlie Whiting to pull the safety car in, the suspicion being that the Safety Car was withdrawn at a time designed to hurt Alonso, with no relevance to conditions. The newspaper goes on to speculate that the Renault team were being punished for team principal Flavio Briatore’s outspoken stance on the FIA ”double-deck” diffuser decision, which his team lost.

It is, however, very unlikely that Whiting singled out Alonso for specific punishment on the track. A random penalty of this nature without prior notice would be without precedent. It would not be within the rules, as team penalties must go through the correct channels. A less paranoid explanation for the Spaniard’s difficulties yesterday would be a simple strategic error from the team, who decided to short-fuel the Spanish ace. Renault have fuelled Alonso light before to jump him up the grid in qualifying, even if then his race suffers.

[supeindesu]

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-news/suspicions-in-spain-of-unofficial-renault-punishment/

Today’s Spanish newspapers report that Fernando Alonso and the Renault team might have been on the receiving end of an unofficial punishment meted out by race director Charlie Whiting during yesterday’s Chinese Grand Prix.

The quotidian paper 20 Seconds suggests that the Spaniard, on a very light fuel load, was penalised by the race being started under the Safety Car and the Safety Car only being withdrawn once the Spaniard had pitted. The double world champion lost out considerably as a result of this, falling from 2nd on the grid to the rear of the pack. He still managed to finish ninth, however.

Speculation surrounds the decision by race director Charlie Whiting to pull the safety car in, the suspicion being that the Safety Car was withdrawn at a time designed to hurt Alonso, with no relevance to conditions. The newspaper goes on to speculate that the Renault team were being punished for team principal Flavio Briatore’s outspoken stance on the FIA ”double-deck” diffuser decision, which his team lost.

It is, however, very unlikely that Whiting singled out Alonso for specific punishment on the track. A random penalty of this nature without prior notice would be without precedent. It would not be within the rules, as team penalties must go through the correct channels. A less paranoid explanation for the Spaniard’s difficulties yesterday would be a simple strategic error from the team, who decided to short-fuel the Spanish ace. Renault have fuelled Alonso light before to jump him up the grid in qualifying, even if then his race suffers.

That's another lie, starting from the point that there's no "20 seconds" newspaper (there is a "20 minutes" newspaper, and they don't report anything like that... in fact, in any newspaper or any media).

[Jensonb]

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-news/suspicions-in-spain-of-unofficial-renault-punishment/

Today’s Spanish newspapers report that Fernando Alonso and the Renault team might have been on the receiving end of an unofficial punishment meted out by race director Charlie Whiting during yesterday’s Chinese Grand Prix.

The quotidian paper 20 Seconds suggests that the Spaniard, on a very light fuel load, was penalised by the race being started under the Safety Car and the Safety Car only being withdrawn once the Spaniard had pitted. The double world champion lost out considerably as a result of this, falling from 2nd on the grid to the rear of the pack. He still managed to finish ninth, however.

Speculation surrounds the decision by race director Charlie Whiting to pull the safety car in, the suspicion being that the Safety Car was withdrawn at a time designed to hurt Alonso, with no relevance to conditions. The newspaper goes on to speculate that the Renault team were being punished for team principal Flavio Briatore’s outspoken stance on the FIA ”double-deck” diffuser decision, which his team lost.

It is, however, very unlikely that Whiting singled out Alonso for specific punishment on the track. A random penalty of this nature without prior notice would be without precedent. It would not be within the rules, as team penalties must go through the correct channels. A less paranoid explanation for the Spaniard’s difficulties yesterday would be a simple strategic error from the team, who decided to short-fuel the Spanish ace. Renault have fuelled Alonso light before to jump him up the grid in qualifying, even if then his race suffers.

Good to see it's not just the British media that makes up bull crap conspiracies to explain why bad things happen to their drivers.

[7UpJordan]

I wonder if Charlie's done it to get back at fraudster Flav if he's been running his mouth again. Better to do it to Alonso for greater affect, it wouldn't make any difference with Piquet.

[supeindesu]

Again. That's another lie, starting from the point that there's no "20 seconds" newspaper (there is a "20 minutes" newspaper, and they don't report anything like that... in fact, in any newspaper or any media).