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[Jamie]

I know, for once I’ll admit defeat
It was a fooking crap race at that for Ferrari, Schumi looked Pisse-d
Just hope next race we have the same success as 2008

[Jensonb]

I think they should all just run of the same diffuser as Brawn.
Ferrari needs that diffuser

Unfortunately it's not that simpl.

Red Bull for instance have designed their car such that the Brawn diffuser is incompatible

[EwanM]

I think they should all just run of the same diffuser as Brawn.
Ferrari needs that diffuser

Unfortunately it's not that simpl.

Red Bull for instance have designed their car such that the Brawn diffuser is incompatible

Indeed it is going to cost such a huge amount of money to modify their cars if they choose to install that type of diffuser.

[Jamie]

Somthing Ferrari has

[Gert]

Let it be known that should Ferrari's protest of Brawn (et al) eventually deliver the OZ race win to Lewis Hamilton as I stand a fairly high chance of collapsing laughing.

As for redesigning a gearbox, 's not quite as easy as that 'cos the rear suspension is hung onto the gearbox so you'd need to change that too & the all the aero that surrounds the rear suspension or is affected by it - ie, damn near all of it.

That's going to cost.

[Jensonb]

Let it be known that should Ferrari's protest of Brawn (et al) eventually deliver the OZ race win to Lewis Hamilton as I stand a fairly high chance of collapsing laughing.

As for redesigning a gearbox, 's not quite as easy as that 'cos the rear suspension is hung onto the gearbox so you'd need to change that too & the all the aero that surrounds the rear suspension or is affected by it - ie, damn near all of it.

That's going to cost.

Wrong, Australian and Malaysian results will stand either way.

[EwanM]

Red Bull considering new diffuser - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 970711.stm
By Sarah Holt
BBC Sport in Melbourne



Horner wants to give his Red Bull drivers the best car possible

Red Bull may add the controversial split-level diffuser to their 2009 car, says team boss Christian Horner.

The British team lodged a protest against the diffuser design used by Toyota, Williams and Brawn GP yet do not want to risk falling behind rivals.

Governing body, the FIA, decreed that the design was legal - but an appeal is set for 14 April after Renault, Ferrari and Red Bull challenged the decision.

Whether Red Bull pursues the split-level diffuser rests on that appeal.

"We started to look at the concept several weeks ago when we saw the cars run for the first time," Horner told BBC Sport.

"If the design is fully legal after 14 April then the seven teams will have to explore development in that area.

"We will accept the decision but would like to have absolute clarity going forward."

Red Bull looked set to begin the season in spectacular style at the Australian Grand Prix on Sunday with Sebastian Vettel tracking eventual winner, Brawn GP's Jenson Button, for the vast majority of the race.

We are half a second behind the Brawns and we have to find that time as soon as possible

Red Bull boss Christian Horner
With three laps remaining, though, he crashed out following a collision with BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica for which he was demoted 10 places on the starting grid at next weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix - but his drive was still indicative of Red Bull's encouraging speed.

Yet Horner believes the team can significantly improve their performance by incorporating the new diffuser, which is thought to add up to half a second in pace.

Before Toyota were demoted to the back of the grid in Melbourne for running with an illegal rear wing, six of the top eight cars in qualifying ran with the split-level diffuser.

"There is lap time to be gained," said Horner.

"Our guys have done a very good job with the cars over the winter but the diffuser issues opens up a development path that was not previously open.

"Previously you were looking at making gains in the front and rear wing but now you can look at the diffuser and the whole underside of the floor.

"That is potentially big performance gain because the floor is the most powerful aerodynamic tool on the car
"We are half a second behind the Brawns and we have to find that time as soon as possible."

However, modifying the Adrian Newey-designed Red Bull around the new diffuser could take several weeks.

The Red Bull is the only car to incorporate a pull-rod rear suspension, which is incorporated into their gearbox design and means there is little room at the back of the car to add a split-level diffuser.

Horner, however, believes the redesign is "feasible".

He added: "The ramifications could be the whole rear half of the car which obviously has a huge amount of cost implications in a not fantastic economic time."

[Frosty]

Let it be known that should Ferrari's protest of Brawn (et al) eventually deliver the OZ race win to Lewis Hamilton as I stand a fairly high chance of collapsing laughing.

As for redesigning a gearbox, 's not quite as easy as that 'cos the rear suspension is hung onto the gearbox so you'd need to change that too & the all the aero that surrounds the rear suspension or is affected by it - ie, damn near all of it.

That's going to cost.

Wrong, Australian and Malaysian results will stand either way.

I have read from various sources some saying that they have been racing under appeal and others that have said they are not racing under appeal.

[Jensonb]

Let it be known that should Ferrari's protest of Brawn (et al) eventually deliver the OZ race win to Lewis Hamilton as I stand a fairly high chance of collapsing laughing.

As for redesigning a gearbox, 's not quite as easy as that 'cos the rear suspension is hung onto the gearbox so you'd need to change that too & the all the aero that surrounds the rear suspension or is affected by it - ie, damn near all of it.

That's going to cost.

Wrong, Australian and Malaysian results will stand either way.

I have read from various sources some saying that they have been racing under appeal and others that have said they are not racing under appeal.

True, but sine the cars were ruled legal twice at the races, upending the results would be unsporting.

[Denthúl]

Here's something interesting about the diffuser:

Q. Rubens, you said that you started second. Explain what happened at the start.

RB: Well, revs are on and my car moved and stopped and that's when I hit anti-stall. Anti-stall is a protection from the engine that you have. You jump into neutral if you don't have the right revs. I went on the inside but the McLaren, I don't know who, I hit it really fast on my back and then I hit the other car which was a Red Bull or Toro Rosso. It was a fairly big hit and I thought my race was over, but one thing we can say is that with the crash if people think that our car is only good because of the diffuser, well, that big hit from behind broke the diffuser completely. The car was very strong after that. It didn't have a fantastic pace as the temperature dropped but it had a pace, so still a good car after all.

Considering the fact that Rubens still had pretty good pace after all those hits and getting his diffuser damaged, I think that what I mentioned about the Brawn car earlier has something good to back it up

[Jensonb]

Here's something interesting about the diffuser:

Q. Rubens, you said that you started second. Explain what happened at the start.

RB: Well, revs are on and my car moved and stopped and that's when I hit anti-stall. Anti-stall is a protection from the engine that you have. You jump into neutral if you don't have the right revs. I went on the inside but the McLaren, I don't know who, I hit it really fast on my back and then I hit the other car which was a Red Bull or Toro Rosso. It was a fairly big hit and I thought my race was over, but one thing we can say is that with the crash if people think that our car is only good because of the diffuser, well, that big hit from behind broke the diffuser completely. The car was very strong after that. It didn't have a fantastic pace as the temperature dropped but it had a pace, so still a good car after all.

Considering the fact that Rubens still had pretty good pace after all those hits and getting his diffuser damaged, I think that what I mentioned about the Brawn car earlier has something good to back it up

Well, let's face it, the Brawn is very similar to this:

[FerrariFan63]

Here's something interesting about the diffuser:

Considering the fact that Rubens still had pretty good pace after all those hits and getting his diffuser damaged, I think that what I mentioned about the Brawn car earlier has something good to back it up

If that's true, then it indeed is something very interesting. Are there any high-def screen caps of the rear of RB's car?

[EwanM]

What illegal traction control

HAHA, na i'm only kidding. Brawn's concept is just excellent. Not even a broke front wing can stop them!

[Jensonb]

What illegal traction control

HAHA, na i'm only kidding. Brawn's concept is just excellent. Not even a broke rear wing can stop them!

Active Suspension Mr. Whiting? I don't even know what suspension is! >_> <_<

[tombo]

Now that is good news for Brawny

...and bad news for f1 in general. The season hasn't even started yet and we're already looking at another hearing at the court of appeal.

Wow I chose that picture as my avatar on another forum today. Spooky.

I do love Radiohead.

Carry on...

Back on topic though, since red bull are considering adopting the design for their own cars, and they were one of the initial complainers, maybe its just time for the others to be quiet and follow along.