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[racechick]

That would be really good!!

[Flynn]

I should clarify. If Alonso and Hamilton were in the same car with a team principal that wasn't clearly in the tank for one driver (evidenced by his "we were racing Fernando" comments) then Alonso would have easily beaten Lewis. No contest

Which would, of course, be why he stopped Hamilton challenging Alonso at Monaco then...

[racechick]

Trust me Lewis has got a looong way to go if he wants to be better than Fernando. If they were in the same car he would trounce him

Yeh i would love to see that, if only Alonso had been at Mclaren when Lewis trounced that team mate he had, i forget his name but was a 2x Spanish World Champion he would of shown him right?

I don't know if you were watching 2007 season but on the 1st race of his 1st season he took him on the 1st corner.

Oh wait that was Alonso.

Get over yourself. Trounced would imply a thorough beating (Alonso vs. Piquet this year, for example) not taking the higher placing on countback.

I'd say trounced based on the Fact Hamilton was a rookie and Alonso was a 2x WDC

But he didn't trounce him in any way, shape or form. He scored an equal number of points and took the higher placing on countback, therefore beating him, albeit by practically nothing.

When everyone expected the rookie to get schooled by the 2x WDC

Who expected that?

Alot of alonso fan's i'll tell you that

Nobody I spoke to expected it. I think the only people who did expect him to be beaten outright were people who didn't pay attention to his junior career.

A lot of people on here argued against him doing well in F1, even those who porported to have watched him race.

[racechick]

Trust me Lewis has got a looong way to go if he wants to be better than Fernando. If they were in the same car he would trounce him

Yeh i would love to see that, if only Alonso had been at Mclaren when Lewis trounced that team mate he had, i forget his name but was a 2x Spanish World Champion he would of shown him right?

I don't know if you were watching 2007 season but on the 1st race of his 1st season he took him on the 1st corner.

Oh wait that was Alonso.

Get over yourself. Trounced would imply a thorough beating (Alonso vs. Piquet this year, for example) not taking the higher placing on countback.

I'd say trounced based on the Fact Hamilton was a rookie and Alonso was a 2x WDC

But he didn't trounce him in any way, shape or form. He scored an equal number of points and took the higher placing on countback, therefore beating him, albeit by practically nothing.

8Ball first mentioned trouncing in respect to Alonso doing it to Lewis were they in equal cars (He forgot about last year)
Alonso clearly did not trounce Lewis when he had that opportunity. Now ok trounce is too strong a word for what lewis did to Alonso (though he was pretty much trounced till the last two races )-same points, count back positions etc. but come on!! Lewis was a rookie Alonso was a 2 time champ. If trounce is to be used it applies more fittingly to Alonso

[headless]

Hill is very unintentially funny

[Juliet P]

Regardless of any Ron-bias (or lack of it) the only reason that he would have stopped Hamilton challenging Alonso at Monaco is because it could quite easily have ended up with both cars out of the race and an empty points-basket after the race.

Yeah, McLaren policy at Monaco is to call off the race after the final round if pit stops to prevent both cars crashing and losing a very hard-earned and prestigious result. Also, if both drivers agree, they get preference to win their home Grand Prix.

Most viewers’ biggest frustration was that on ITV the 200mph excitement of Formula One was interrupted by adverts – obviously that won’t be a problem on the BBC. But it’s worth noting that ITV hadn’t wanted to interrupt its coverage either. It asked to pause transmission for advert breaks: British viewers would end up about 15 minutes behind real-time by the end of a race, but wouldn’t have missed a single second. However, Formula One’s owners allegedly vetoed anything but a live stream.

They should have split the screen for adverts, so they and the race would be on simultaneous. That would have kept both parties happy.

They tried but for some reason weren't allowed.

The Spanish show the race in a screen in the corner during adverts - so it's not the FIA who stopped them. I'll bet the advertisers put pressure on ITV not to do it...

Juliet

[7UpJordan]

Oh, whilst I was posting on the Sato topic, this crept back into my head from Monaco 2002 I think it was...

"And Takuma Sato is going VERY WELL down in 18th position"

Well I suppose if he wasn't crashing that year he was doing well.

[Gaz]

Oh, whilst I was posting on the Sato topic, this crept back into my head from Monaco 2002 I think it was...

"And Takuma Sato is going VERY WELL down in 18th position"

Well I suppose if he wasn't crashing that year he was doing well.

Sato was given bonous for crashes, in order to get sponsors tv time.

[7UpJordan]

Oh, whilst I was posting on the Sato topic, this crept back into my head from Monaco 2002 I think it was...

"And Takuma Sato is going VERY WELL down in 18th position"

Well I suppose if he wasn't crashing that year he was doing well.

Sato was given bonous for crashes, in order to get sponsors tv time.

And the biggest loser in the deal will have been EJ himself as another one of his cars gets written off...

So does anybody care to hazard a guess at what James Allen will do next if the BBC don't pick him up? I predict he'll either join Louise and Ted on the BTCC coverage if ITV continue with that or he'll become a football commentator. But he'll stick around as a pundit for newspapers and online journals no doubt.

[KyrosV]

hes a face for the radio

[McLaren Fan]

[8-ball]

8Ball first mentioned trouncing in respect to Alonso doing it to Lewis were they in equal cars (He forgot about last year)
Alonso clearly did not trounce Lewis when he had that opportunity. Now ok trounce is too strong a word for what lewis did to Alonso (though he was pretty much trounced till the last two races )-same points, count back positions etc. but come on!! Lewis was a rookie Alonso was a 2 time champ. If trounce is to be used it applies more fittingly to Alonso

I didn't forget about 2007 I just forgot to mention Ron's bias towards Lewis Hamilton in the second half of the season. If Alonso was receiving the same treatment that Lewis got in the 2nd half of the season then he might not have won but at least it would have been a fair fight. It didn't matter if Alonso was a 7 time champion if your team principal and mechanics are against you you have got no chance

[McLaren Fan]

8Ball first mentioned trouncing in respect to Alonso doing it to Lewis were they in equal cars (He forgot about last year)
Alonso clearly did not trounce Lewis when he had that opportunity. Now ok trounce is too strong a word for what lewis did to Alonso (though he was pretty much trounced till the last two races )-same points, count back positions etc. but come on!! Lewis was a rookie Alonso was a 2 time champ. If trounce is to be used it applies more fittingly to Alonso

I didn't forget about 2007 I just forgot to mention Ron's bias towards Lewis Hamilton in the second half of the season. If Alonso was receiving the same treatment that Lewis got in the 2nd half of the season then he might not have won but at least it would have been a fair fight. It didn't matter if Alonso was a 7 time champion if your team principal and mechanics are against you you have got no chance

Everybody talks about McLaren screwing Alonso but produce no evidence to prove it. There is, however, a wealth of evidence to suggest they did get equal treatment. Two such instances are: first, the FIA had inspectors in the team to ensure everything was "even stevens"; and, second, Mercedes wanted Alonso fired, but it was Ron Dennis who allowed him to compete for the title!

[the stig]

seems to me he was biased towards whoever was the dominant driver at the time. the schumacher/ferarri era, the alonso/renault era, and now hamilton/mclaren.

[8-ball]

8Ball first mentioned trouncing in respect to Alonso doing it to Lewis were they in equal cars (He forgot about last year)
Alonso clearly did not trounce Lewis when he had that opportunity. Now ok trounce is too strong a word for what lewis did to Alonso (though he was pretty much trounced till the last two races )-same points, count back positions etc. but come on!! Lewis was a rookie Alonso was a 2 time champ. If trounce is to be used it applies more fittingly to Alonso

I didn't forget about 2007 I just forgot to mention Ron's bias towards Lewis Hamilton in the second half of the season. If Alonso was receiving the same treatment that Lewis got in the 2nd half of the season then he might not have won but at least it would have been a fair fight. It didn't matter if Alonso was a 7 time champion if your team principal and mechanics are against you you have got no chance

Everybody talks about McLaren screwing Alonso but produce no evidence to prove it. There is, however, a wealth of evidence to suggest they did get equal treatment. Two such instances are: first, the FIA had inspectors in the team to ensure everything was "even stevens"; and, second, Mercedes wanted Alonso fired, but it was Ron Dennis who allowed him to compete for the title!

Those examples you have given are not very good. Firstly the FIA are useless they probably sent in some junior employee who was only there for work experience. Besides how would it have reflected on the sport commercially if the reigning world champion was booted out of the world championship? That would not have been good for the FIA and especially Mclaren as their sponsors would not have been pleased. So that is why Ron allowed Alonso to compete not because he liked him but because he needed to placate his Spanish sponsors.

Your evidence can't explain away Ron's "we were racing Fernando" comments. That slip of the tongue told everyone that he and his team was firmly behind Lewis Hamilton and all the evidence needed to prove that Alonso did not have a chance.