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By headless
#56819
I do think Ferrari have just been overtaken a little bit with development by McLaren but will defiantly be back before the end of the season. Massa has proved on he can be as good as anyone but nobody can deny how he defended his place against Hamilton, that was diabolical.
#56824
Well clearly it's not working. Massa has been in Ferrari since 2006 and is running out of excuses


Im not sure how long he's worked with this engineer. He's a very down to earth guy and helps Felippe come back from a bad result. He nearly got pole sunday,just had problems in the race.
He's had some good races this year but I agree he's off the boil too often.
#56899
What's wrong at Ferrari? What's right about them? :hehe:

Seriously though, the only reason we're talking about Ferrari having problems is because Hamilton's been unbeatable in the last two races. The cold reality of the situation is that Ferrari are actually better placed than they were this time last year. McLaren's car doesn't seem as quite as good as last year and they've only got one driver so far taking serious points. Ferrari have had three 1-2s where McLaren haven't managed one yet. Crisis? What crisis?
#56914
What's wrong at Ferrari? What's right about them? :hehe:
Crisis? What crisis?


Crisis? No, not yet but the spanking this weekend got a little more severe and I have to think was just a little bit unexpected by the boys in red. Its interesting how Mclaren have re-discovered the value of a number 1/number 2 driver alignment while Ferrari have gone away from the that which served them so well for so long. Ferrari should put Raikkonen and Massa in a blender and then hire back Barrichello as the number 2 that way they'd have someone who could get on pole and also be fast in the race as well as a helluva great support guy. Seriously though, IMHO the driver dynamic just isn't working at Ferrari, I don't have anything against Massa but he's getting in the way of the stronger driver, Raikkonen. No Kimi is not superman and he's not even Michael but if Ferrari hope to get the drivers championship (and maybe even hold on to the constructors) they're going to need to move to a 1/2 driver model.
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By welshie
#56919
I'm just very critical when my team has the equipment to dominate but does not produce the result's they are capable of so who should be blamed? Maybe not the driver's at this point but maybe the leadership and top strategist, please help me figure it out, I'm so alone and confused!!! :hehe:


The days of the dominant Ferrari are over, and it's for the good of the sport i'm afraid tex.

I have no problem with Ferrari not dominating because if you remember I have been there with them through the bad time's aswell as the good time's. I ALWAY'S want Ferrari to win but guess who was an adament supporter of Senna, yelling at the TV for him to win or hold on for one more lap, as my team languished mid-pack?


Hey I'm a Honda fan at heart, but seeing as they are rubbish at the moment I cheer Hammy. So I know exactly what that feels like :thumbup:
#56920
'Its interesting how Mclaren have re-discovered the value of a number 1/number 2 driver alignment'! What do you mean? Those in the anti-McLaren camp claimed that Hamilton was being favoured over Alonso in the team? :bs:
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By headless
#56922
I'm with Digieye - Barrichello 2nd driver at McLaren. NEVER going to happen now, but wouldn't it be great for him to end his career there.
I'd absolutly love to see that.
#57166
'Its interesting how Mclaren have re-discovered the value of a number 1/number 2 driver alignment'! What do you mean? Those in the anti-McLaren camp claimed that Hamilton was being favoured over Alonso in the team? :bs:


Thats curious because wasn't it Alonso's complaint that he (alonso) Wasn't getting the preferential treatment (number 1 status) that he deserved being the reigning World Champ and pairing up with a total F1 noob? Of course once Hamilton showed his pace Ron was in a bind and needed to give them both equal treatment.
#57170
Those people sticking the boot into McLaren need to their story straight. What's it to be, guys? McLaren favoured Hamilton from the beginning? There was driver equality at the beginning? There was driver equality until two thirds of the way through the season? Alonso wasn't getting the support he felt he deserved? etc. :rolleyes:
#57199
Those people sticking the boot into McLaren need to their story straight. What's it to be, guys? McLaren favoured Hamilton from the beginning? There was driver equality at the beginning? There was driver equality until two thirds of the way through the season? Alonso wasn't getting the support he felt he deserved? etc. :rolleyes:


OK this is serious thread drift here but what the hey, here's my theory. Ron Dennis has landed the top driver in F1 and he needed a second driver. He's got the best so he can take a chance on a promising noob whom he's nurtured from karts. At first RD figures the champ (Alonso) will be number 1 and the noob LH number 2. Surprisingly the noob shows startling pace and RD makes a critical decision (mistake IMHO) and decides to have both drivers have equal status, ala Prost/Senna. LH and FA battle each other all season splitting points and causing major friction. The two drivers end up tied in points but lose overall to a strong rival. The ex champ bails after causing huge amounts of trouble and the noob becomes number 1. RD doesn't want a repeat so he gets a driver who's a great tester, personable guy and fast but not as fast as LH. Perfect scenario.

No boot sticking here, I'm a Macca fan, check my avatar! :)
By Mikep99
#57202
Those people sticking the boot into McLaren need to their story straight. What's it to be, guys? McLaren favoured Hamilton from the beginning? There was driver equality at the beginning? There was driver equality until two thirds of the way through the season? Alonso wasn't getting the support he felt he deserved? etc. :rolleyes:


OK this is serious thread drift here but what the hey, here's my theory. Ron Dennis has landed the top driver in F1 and he needed a second driver. He's got the best so he can take a chance on a promising noob whom he's nurtured from karts. At first RD figures the champ (Alonso) will be number 1 and the noob LH number 2. Surprisingly the noob shows startling pace and RD makes a critical decision (mistake IMHO) and decides to have both drivers have equal status, ala Prost/Senna. LH and FA battle each other all season splitting points and causing major friction. The two drivers end up tied in points but lose overall to a strong rival. The ex champ bails after causing huge amounts of trouble and the noob becomes number 1. RD doesn't want a repeat so he gets a driver who's a great tester, personable guy and fast but not as fast as LH. Perfect scenario.

No boot sticking here, I'm a Macca fan, check my avatar! :)


Sounds right to me. :thumbup:
But I would add that seeing that the noob was doing a good job Ronny baby decided that if anyone was to win the WDC he would prefer the Hammeroide. This being the case he unconsciously or not showed this which Alonso sensed and spat the dummy like a child.

And the rest is history.
#57218
It sounds plausible until you consider that McLaren tried to sign Rosberg and were after Vettel. Some rumours were doing the rounds about Kubica as well. Surely if McLaren wanted to have a de facto team leader and a tea boy to back him up, they would not have been trying to sign drivers of their quality to partner Hamilton?
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By bud
#57220
It sounds plausible until you consider that McLaren tried to sign Rosberg and were after Vettel. Some rumours were doing the rounds about Kubica as well. Surely if McLaren wanted to have a de facto team leader and a tea boy to back him up, they would not have been trying to sign drivers of their quality to partner Hamilton?


dont speak logic to these guys :banghead::rofl:
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By headless
#57242
Those people sticking the boot into McLaren need to their story straight. What's it to be, guys? McLaren favoured Hamilton from the beginning? There was driver equality at the beginning? There was driver equality until two thirds of the way through the season? Alonso wasn't getting the support he felt he deserved? etc. :rolleyes:


OK this is serious thread drift here but what the hey, here's my theory. Ron Dennis has landed the top driver in F1 and he needed a second driver. He's got the best so he can take a chance on a promising noob whom he's nurtured from karts. At first RD figures the champ (Alonso) will be number 1 and the noob LH number 2. Surprisingly the noob shows startling pace and RD makes a critical decision (mistake IMHO) and decides to have both drivers have equal status, ala Prost/Senna. LH and FA battle each other all season splitting points and causing major friction. The two drivers end up tied in points but lose overall to a strong rival. The ex champ bails after causing huge amounts of trouble and the noob becomes number 1. RD doesn't want a repeat so he gets a driver who's a great tester, personable guy and fast but not as fast as LH. Perfect scenario.

No boot sticking here, I'm a Macca fan, check my avatar! :)


Yes that is pretty much right.

But...

It sounds plausible until you consider that McLaren tried to sign Rosberg and were after Vettel. Some rumours were doing the rounds about Kubica as well. Surely if McLaren wanted to have a de facto team leader and a tea boy to back him up, they would not have been trying to sign drivers of their quality to partner Hamilton?


That is another thing to take into consideration.
#57244
Those people sticking the boot into McLaren need to their story straight. What's it to be, guys? McLaren favoured Hamilton from the beginning? There was driver equality at the beginning? There was driver equality until two thirds of the way through the season? Alonso wasn't getting the support he felt he deserved? etc. :rolleyes:


OK this is serious thread drift here but what the hey, here's my theory. Ron Dennis has landed the top driver in F1 and he needed a second driver. He's got the best so he can take a chance on a promising noob whom he's nurtured from karts. At first RD figures the champ (Alonso) will be number 1 and the noob LH number 2. Surprisingly the noob shows startling pace and RD makes a critical decision (mistake IMHO) and decides to have both drivers have equal status, ala Prost/Senna. LH and FA battle each other all season splitting points and causing major friction. The two drivers end up tied in points but lose overall to a strong rival. The ex champ bails after causing huge amounts of trouble and the noob becomes number 1. RD doesn't want a repeat so he gets a driver who's a great tester, personable guy and fast but not as fast as LH. Perfect scenario.

No boot sticking here, I'm a Macca fan, check my avatar! :)


Yes that is pretty much right.

But...

It sounds plausible until you consider that McLaren tried to sign Rosberg and were after Vettel. Some rumours were doing the rounds about Kubica as well. Surely if McLaren wanted to have a de facto team leader and a tea boy to back him up, they would not have been trying to sign drivers of their quality to partner Hamilton?


That is another thing to take into consideration.

:thumbup:

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