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[darwin dali]

Lastly, can you honestly see Renault, ( who would HAVE to have any knowledge of such things) leave themselves exposed to a blatent contraventions of the rules?

Pat

While I agree this story is absolutely rubbish (no one's listened to my comment to move on, shameful) but Renault hadn't exactly had the cleanest F1 history so that wouldn't shock me that much. Of course this is all Crap and the only people who can't see that are Italian media and tifosi, which are one of the same really.

A bit harsh

[spankyham]

Lastly, can you honestly see Renault, ( who would HAVE to have any knowledge of such things) leave themselves exposed to a blatent contraventions of the rules?

Pat

While I agree this story is absolutely rubbish (no one's listened to my comment to move on, shameful) but Renault hadn't exactly had the cleanest F1 history so that wouldn't shock me that much. Of course this is all Crap and the only people who can't see that are Italian media and tifosi, which are one of the same really.

A bit harsh

As an Italian and Tifosi even I can recognise bias in some of the home grown media - but I don't think Italy is alone in having problems with dodgy/bad media.

[What's Burning?]

I love how the argument is, it's not possible. Don't know if you guys have been watching F1 for the last... Well ever to think that teams won't cheat whenever they think they can get away with it.

[1Lemon]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

I love how the argument is, it's not possible. Don't know if you guys have been watching F1 for the last... Well ever to think that teams won't cheat whenever they think they can get away with it.

Something like that nowadays would have been caught in scrutineering so fast compared to a subtle aero defect, well we'd hope, as much as I'd love to see these big advancements in cars again like we saw in the past, the FIA need to give the engineers more freedom; I want to see 6 wheeled cars again!

[darwin dali]

I want to see 6 wheeled cars again!

With tiny wheels from Pirellino?

[What's Burning?]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

I love how the argument is, it's not possible. Don't know if you guys have been watching F1 for the last... Well ever to think that teams won't cheat whenever they think they can get away with it.

Something like that nowadays would have been caught in scrutineering so fast compared to a subtle aero defect, well we'd hope, as much as I'd love to see these big advancements in cars again like we saw in the past, the FIA need to give the engineers more freedom; I want to see 6 wheeled cars again!

I keep coming back to Red Bull's parc ferme adjustable ride height of last year. So scruteneering doesn't catch all, especially if there is no reason to test. They don't go over the entire car and even if they get away with something for only a few races it is an advantage gained.

You're being somewhat inconsistent with your stance seemingly defending Red Bull because they couldn't possibly be cheating in this thread but throw Mercedes out in the other thread because they obviously cheated.

[LRW]

........I'd love to see these big advancements in cars again like we saw in the past, the FIA need to give the engineers more freedom; I want to see 6 wheeled cars again!

Or this, the Brabham BT46....

[1Lemon]

Oh I remember reading about the fan car, we need more fan cars

What's Burning I am defending Red Bull because there is no evidence at all that they cheated, bar a few lines on a track that other cars leave, it's such a random and wild accusation to make, I never said they haven't cheated, just they may not have used the hand thing to give themselves an advantage. But what Merc did was such an obvious step over the rules, Brawn may have well just walked onto the track before the Monaco GP when everyone was talking about it and set fire to a rule book as far as I'm concerned.

[spankyham]

Wasn't the Chaparal the first fan car?

[spankyham]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

An Italian parent - I'll drink to that

Personally the media bias thing is often driven by the degree of fan passion. Tifosi are indeed amongst the most passionate supporters around, so some media (not all) will pander to that in Italy.

But then again, I've been in the Kop and a few local pubs for a Liverpool home game and those guys certainly push to the limit in terms of their team passion.

[1Lemon]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

An Italian parent - I'll drink to that

Personally the media bias thing is often driven by the degree of fan passion. Tifosi are indeed amongst the most passionate supporters around, so some media (not all) will pander to that in Italy.

But then again, I've been in the Kop and a few local pubs for a Liverpool home game and those guys certainly push to the limit in terms of their team passion.

That is very true, which is probably why the French media aren't that bias towards Vergne for example.

One Italian parent and one Scottish, now you know why I like Paul Di Resta, I can relate

[spankyham]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

An Italian parent - I'll drink to that

Personally the media bias thing is often driven by the degree of fan passion. Tifosi are indeed amongst the most passionate supporters around, so some media (not all) will pander to that in Italy.

But then again, I've been in the Kop and a few local pubs for a Liverpool home game and those guys certainly push to the limit in terms of their team passion.

That is very true, which is probably why the French media aren't that bias towards Vergne for example.

One Italian parent and one Scottish, now you know why I like Paul Di Resta, I can relate

Oh my!! My heritage is both Parents are of Italian extraction, but, on my dad's side they moved to Glasgow first. Di Resta in a Ferrari would be fine by me

[darwin dali]

Very true, all media are bias towards their teams/drivers etc, but the Italian one specifically is infamously bad for that. Having an Italian parent also helps you realise quite how one sided the majority of their media is.

An Italian parent - I'll drink to that

Personally the media bias thing is often driven by the degree of fan passion. Tifosi are indeed amongst the most passionate supporters around, so some media (not all) will pander to that in Italy.

But then again, I've been in the Kop and a few local pubs for a Liverpool home game and those guys certainly push to the limit in terms of their team passion.

That is very true, which is probably why the French media aren't that bias towards Vergne for example.

One Italian parent and one Scottish, now you know why I like Paul Di Resta, I can relate

Oh my!! My heritage is both Parents are of Italian extraction, but, on my dad's side they moved to Glasgow first. Di Resta in a Ferrari would be fine by me

How the ham got spanked:

[stonemonkey]

Something I've wondered about before, since TC was banned and the SECU brought in, could the KERS MGU be used or controlled in some way to provide some form TC and/or ABS by varying the load on the drive?

Theoretically it shouldnt be a problem to have the Kers harvesting unit do its thing in spurts that lead to less overall power in pulses, leading to a 'slip/less power/more power/slip' etc pattern. But it would have to be used only on demand and that is back to TC.

If there was a program that changed the way it harvested at certain times that would be picked up by the SECU, in fact we would be theoretically able to see it on the graphic we get on screen showing the Kers level of charge and so the FIA would most definitely know

If thats what you meant by providing TC

The graphic we see isn't the charge in the batteries, it's just a representation of how much the driver is allowed to use over the couse of 1 lap. The bar is filled at the start finish line and goes down whenever they press the button, when the bar is empty they can't use any more.

What I meant is that instead of only harvesting energy under braking, what if the KERS could harvest energy when wheelslip is detected, that would reduce the amount of energy going to the wheels.

[Hammer278]

Something I've wondered about before, since TC was banned and the SECU brought in, could the KERS MGU be used or controlled in some way to provide some form TC and/or ABS by varying the load on the drive?

Theoretically it shouldnt be a problem to have the Kers harvesting unit do its thing in spurts that lead to less overall power in pulses, leading to a 'slip/less power/more power/slip' etc pattern. But it would have to be used only on demand and that is back to TC.

If there was a program that changed the way it harvested at certain times that would be picked up by the SECU, in fact we would be theoretically able to see it on the graphic we get on screen showing the Kers level of charge and so the FIA would most definitely know

If thats what you meant by providing TC

The graphic we see isn't the charge in the batteries, it's just a representation of how much the driver is allowed to use over the couse of 1 lap. The bar is filled at the start finish line and goes down whenever they press the button, when the bar is empty they can't use any more.

What I meant is that instead of only harvesting energy under braking, what if the KERS could harvest energy when wheelslip is detected, that would reduce the amount of energy going to the wheels.

Could also help explain Redbull's 'ongoing' KERS overheating issues for the past what, 3 years now?