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[darwin dali]

It's what happens when someone feels they have no other option open to them and they can't cope with whatever pressure they are experiencing in their life.

This might be true for the majority of suicides, but I disagree with this reasoning for many cases. Look at all the assisted suicide cases where older people take their lives and perceive it as an act of liberation rather than succumbing to pressure or having the perception of no other option.
And there is also the philosophical component: I view taking my own life and determining the time of my death as an act of freedom. It is my right to decide when I want to die (and I'd be immensely pissed off if somebody causes my death before I believe it's the right time as it infringes on this my right and freedom ) and not some deity or Nature - thereby, in effect in such a final act I become my own goddess.

[Hammer278]

Suicide is probably caused by having too much to think about, seeing as the act achieves the opposite more advanced societies have a greater range of options available, more pressure to succeed.

I disagree with the big brother argument too, the most advanced countries are liberal, capitalist and consumerist in nature.

Thanks, finally a real response! Forgive me for saying big brother, but its a term I always use to describe the government. In developed countries, the poorer are provided for to an extent by the richer community. Which is why the rich guys want to leave to another country most of the time.

What I mean by 'too much time to think' is basically not having a drive in life. You have some food in your belly and a roof over your head, thanks to a welfare scheme or some form of gov financing...but the next branch seems way too high to climb. Boredom or lack of drive is also a major factor in trying for 'escape'. Developing nations have a much faster pace of life, and you're fighting for survival more of the time. You might be living poorer than the poor in the developed countries but you have the drive to succeed, reach for the next branch in the tree. I'm talking with the idea of 'idle mind = devils workshop' in mind here.

[andrew]

Sure, most religions condemn suicide.

I recall the NHS website stating a theory that suicide is caused by a combination of 3 factors, "the belief (usually mistaken) that no one loves them, the belief (again usually mistaken) that others will be better of without them and fearlessness towards pain and death.

I read recently about suicide being quite common amoung farmers in rural India and Pakistan after they get into debt or their farms just aren't making enough (if any) money.

It's what happens when someone feels they have no other option open to them and they can't cope with whatever pressure they are experiencing in their life.

This might be true for the majority of suicides, but I disagree with this reasoning for many cases. Look at all the assisted suicide cases where older people take their lives and perceive it as an act of liberation rather than succumbing to pressure or having the perception of no other option.
And there is also the philosophical component: I view taking my own life and determining the time of my death as an act of freedom. It is my right to decide when I want to die (and I'd be immensely pissed off if somebody causes my death before I believe it's the right time as it infringes on this my right and freedom ) and not some deity or Nature - thereby, in effect in such a final act I become my own goddess.

Indeed people seem to opt for assisted suicide for the reasons you state I'd go a little bit further and ask why they feel like that. The second part of your sentance ties in with what my own thoughts are - they feel they have no other option (the option being die painfully or slowly v's end things on your own terms and they end up free of whatever ails them or whatever problems or worries they have). Being able to control when one dies would, I imagine, be immensely liberating. None of us want to live out our days in a hospital bed not knowing what day it is most of the time or not knowing who our family is when they visit or end our days in pain.

So you're looking to become a forum goddess? My word!

[darwin dali]

Are you insinuating I'm not already?

[andrew]

Unoffically but until the title says otherwise it ain't official.

So who gets the promotion to Forum Queen - Lew or an unexpected return of Fraffypants? Or is that where Sennaville has been all this time - in a forum queen training scheme.

[bud]

Jeez, all I keep hearing is its stupid its stupid but it would be cool if there were some legit counter arguments. I've put my points forward, though its funny to see the ones coming back is 'youre stupid youre stupid'.

First of all you dismiss the top 5 in the list to put forward you're argument that in itself dismisses your claim.

[Hammer278]

Because that would be nitpicking. In a list of 106 members wouldn't it be better to segment it into a broader range? EVEN if you include the Top 5, my point still stands. If you make 2 tables of developed status VS non developed status in the Top 50, and 2 tables for the same, from 51 - 106 you might get where I'm headed.

Anyway we are talking about some table on a secondary source website, so lets not take it too seriously. It's just some rough observation which hardly bears any weight at all.

[bud]

Leaving out the top 5 is hardly nit picking, it's just not good scientific practice to manipulate data to prove ones point. Fact remains according to the list 4 out of the top 5 aren't exactly at the high end of the worlds developed countries. So your theory is void.

[Hammer278]

Leaving out the top 5 is hardly nit picking, it's just not good scientific practice to manipulate data to prove ones point. Fact remains according to the list 4 out of the top 5 aren't exactly at the high end of the worlds developed countries. So your theory is void.

Out of a 106 countries, you focus on 5? I can tell you never did much depth into statistics in your life. But whatever brah. Peace.

[elfinitty]

Tbh,I haven't read the whole argument here but half if it.Something just came into my mind,let not think what kind of sorrow or thoughts lead people to commit suicide,but how they see the world.If they work under strict management,take people who works in the country side or far off,just to continue the lif,they'll not AS MUCH complain about what makes them grieved or worried or nothing else does.But if someone has time to think,has less to do and maybe able to see the wrong ,a higher chance they'd commit suicide.And yeah everyone who has these qualities don't commit suicide,that's another thing.

[bud]

Leaving out the top 5 is hardly nit picking, it's just not good scientific practice to manipulate data to prove ones point. Fact remains according to the list 4 out of the top 5 aren't exactly at the high end of the worlds developed countries. So your theory is void.

Out of a 106 countries, you focus on 5? I can tell you never did much depth into statistics in your life. But whatever brah. Peace.

I'm not focusing on 5, I'm just not dismissing them.
brah. Peace? Getting all homie g in your crib? Bit like Lewis

[Hammer278]

The series 'breaking bad' has had its toll on me.

Tbh,I haven't read the whole argument here but half if it.Something just came into my mind,let not think what kind of sorrow or thoughts lead people to commit suicide,but how they see the world.If they work under strict management,take people who works in the country side or far off,just to continue the lif,they'll not AS MUCH complain about what makes them grieved or worried or nothing else does.But if someone has time to think,has less to do and maybe able to see the wrong ,a higher chance they'd commit suicide.And yeah everyone who has these qualities don't commit suicide,that's another thing.

Exactly...or almost exactly my point. At least you managed to follow my train of thought.

[bud]

Gatorade me bit*h

[Hammer278]

Don't be talkin to me that way, I'm a blowfish b**ch

[Jabberwocky]

If you put you circumstances into the following link, it will tell you how much benefits you could get in the UK.

If I gave up work I would be £28 worse off a month on Benefits than I am working full time. As some of you guys know what I do for a living I think that it is sickening and wrong.