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[acosmichippo]

Truly I am an athiest and no other religion makes me more so than Islam, it is a disgrace to women and modern humanity in general!

I think you will find that all religions have a past that is not right. So picking on Islam is not fair.

But at least most other religions aren't stuck as far in the past as Islam. "Picking on Islam" is completely fair. I don't see Christians, Jews, Hindus, or Buddhists throwing acid on their wives' faces every other week, or forcing them to cover their bodies head to toe, or disallowing them from getting an education, or setting up a GPS tracking system to notify husbands when their women leave the country.

Regardless of the past, Islam NOW is a religion of oppression and violence. There's no way around it.

[Hammer278]

[acosmichippo]

Then please educate us. I'd really love to hear it.

[andrew]

Such intolerance. Pathetic! No other words for it.

I don't have any religious beliefs, but I fully respect a persons choice to believe in any religion they like. Judge a person on who they are and what they do, not on what they believe is how I look at things. I wish I could believe in God or have some faith as it does give a lot of people some inner peace and something to cling to in times of crisis.

[acosmichippo]

Judge a person on who they are and what they do, not on what they believe is how I look at things.

But what people believe influences who they are and what they do. That's the whole point.

[andrew]

Judge a person on who they are and what they do, not on what they believe is how I look at things.

But what people believe influences who they are and what they do. That's the whole point.

You're making a very big generalisation there. Some of the biggest religious whack-jobs I can think of have had Christian based beliefs, not Islamic but I guess it's just the in thing to bash Islam at the moment.

There are members of my extended family who are part of their local church. One of them is a church elder and they regularly attend services. I don't believe their religion does inluence what thy do or how they are - they just honest hard working people, same as other people I know who don't have any religious beliefs. Maybe in some extreme cases it does influence what someone does but I don't think I could make such a sweeping generalisation as you are.

[vaptin]

Where's Sikhism what's burning?

[What's Burning?]

Where's Sikhism what's burning?

Talk about ignorance, a month or two ago here there was a man that attached a Sikh congregation and shot a few people thinking they were Muslim.

[vaptin]

I might as well make it clear, in case it messes up your survey or something, I'm "culturally" Sikh perhaps, my family would identify as Sikhs (though they are all non-baptised), but I don't really practice or believe in God.

I believe the problems with organised religion aren't purely religious problems, it's replicated in other forms of collectivism (nationalism, communism etc.).

[What's Burning?]

Then please educate us. I'd really love to hear it.

Violance against women isn't exclusive to any religion. Men have been beating women through the millenia, so religion has nothing to do with it. Very Orthodox Jewish weddings the men are separated from the women in the reception hall by a curtain and only children can traverse. The Amish in America have a long history of violence towards women and there is a tremendously high rate of incest.

Even in the US, the 'beacon' of democracy for the world, women weren't allowed to cast a vote less than 100 years ago. The point is to keep moving forward and have the regional cultures make that abuse of women not acceptable so yeah, many cultures did have a history of abuse towards women and some cultures still do.

So saying that a religion that's followed by a couple of billion people in the world is something you hate, isn't going to lead to anything but a downward spiral. How about working with the overwhelming majority of moderate Islamist that want to abolish that behavior amongst their fundamentalists, just as much as you do.

[Hammer278]

Then please educate us. I'd really love to hear it.

Violance against women isn't exclusive to any religion. Men have been beating women through the millenia, so religion has nothing to do with it. Very Orthodox Jewish weddings the men are separated from the women in the reception hall by a curtain and only children can traverse. The Amish in America have a long history of violence towards women and there is a tremendously high rate of incest.

Even in the US, the 'beacon' of democracy for the world, women weren't allowed to cast a vote less than 100 years ago. The point is to keep moving forward and have the regional cultures make that abuse of women not acceptable so yeah, many cultures did have a history of abuse towards women and some cultures still do.

So saying that a religion that's followed by a couple of billion people in the world is something you hate, isn't going to lead to anything but a downward spiral. How about working with the overwhelming majority of moderate Islamist that want to abolish that behavior amongst their fundamentalists, just as much as you do.

To add to this, Islam as a religion cannot be faulted. I'm not a muslim but I was born in a country which is muslim dominated, but you hear none of the things which you hear going on in Middle East and such, simply because its how a person INTERPRETS a religion.

Two muslims could look at 1 line in the Quran, and 1 could go "God is telling me to kill someone to enter his abodes" and another could think "God would accept me into his abode if I educate the one who needs education". You can't just blame the concept of religion or a particular religion which is not at fault. Have you read the Quran? If you haven't I think you would be pretty idiotic to claim something if you know nothing about it. Islam is actually a religion which promotes peace from cover to cover. It's a bunch of freaks who wield the Quran according to their own deranged minds and make the religion look extreme when it isn't. And as WB says, its not only muslims are doing sh*t across the globe, crime and nonsense is committed by everyone from all backgrounds.

[acosmichippo]

Judge a person on who they are and what they do, not on what they believe is how I look at things.

But what people believe influences who they are and what they do. That's the whole point.

You're making a very big generalisation there. Some of the biggest religious whack-jobs I can think of have had Christian based beliefs, not Islamic but I guess it's just the in thing to bash Islam at the moment.

Generalization about what? If religion isn't supposed to influence what you do, then what is it there for?

I'll be the first to agree that there are a crazies in every religion. My point is the amount of crazy in Islam far outweighs that of any other religion.

[andrew]

No it doesn't. The Western media and political bias says it does.

[bud]

Thought I saw ninjas walking the street the other day, turns out I was wrong.

[LRW]

f*** it. I'll add my opinion. Religion doesn't cause wars or incite people to hate. People do that. Mean people. In the whole, id say most people are good. It's just religion that f***s then up.