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[McLaren Fan]

No offense but Mclaren's trainee driver pro gramme is no substitute for experience in an actual F1 race. Lewis is a good driver but so is Adrian Sutil and he is in a Force India because he didn't have the good fortune to meet Ron Dennis when he was 13. Lewis should count himself lucky that he is in a Mclaren from the start of his career.

Massa on the other hand was not good enough to drive for Ferrari when he joined (thanks to Nicholas Todt) but he has improved since then and fully deserves his seat.

I agree that actual racing has many benefits, and nor did I argue to the contrary. You could see, for instance, that over the past two season's Hamilton's inexperience has cost him. That said, I feel all of these "Lewis Hamilton doesn't deserve his titles or McLaren seat" comments are spurious rubbish motivated by jealousy - and that's coming from somebody who is a staunch believer that you must earn your stripes. It was Lewis Hamilton who had the balls to ask Ron Dennis for financial backing - cash which he would not have received if he weren't good enough. Moreover, McLaren's young driver is rigorous and ruthless; only those who have genuine quality progress. McLaren asked the questions and Hamilton had the answers.

[Gaz]

There's being Passionate, and theres being Fanatical.

Guess which one i think you are.

You'll be going around beating up Mclaren fan's in Oz next year forming the Ferrari Firm.

lol

Fanatical. Well the real meaning of a tifoso/a is that, fanatical. It may mean supporter literally but it is actually fanatical. How do I know this. My dad always used to say to me, "Tu non sei sportiva, sei tifosa". This literally means,"You are not sporting, you are a supporter", however this correctly means, "You have no sportsmanship, you are fanatical" That is what he meant and it is true. Oh well hardcore football fans are like that so I see no reason why I can't be like this in F1. They are afterall both sports.

With your last part, I'll round off a few Italian boys on Lygon Street who would be happy to follow me to the Grand Prix and boo the McLaren camp. *LOL* Just kidding of course.

So you a fanatic great! do you really feel someone is fanatical about their team should be listened too? do you think their opinion is worth as much as someone who is level headed about the subject.

Consider that when you want to be taken seriously after posting "sir twat Hamilton"

[bud]

With your last part, I'll round off a few Italian boys on Lygon Street who would be happy to follow me to the Grand Prix and boo the McLaren camp. *LOL* Just kidding of course.

if they come anywhere near me look out



















ill mess up their hair so bad they'll go running home to Nona

[texasmr2]

With your last part, I'll round off a few Italian boys on Lygon Street who would be happy to follow me to the Grand Prix and boo the McLaren camp. *LOL* Just kidding of course.

if they come anywhere near me look out



















ill mess up their hair so bad they'll go running home to Nona

Now thats funny right der I dont care who you are!

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[AKR]

No, please explain how is LH False?

you know dam well you wouldn't be calling him a Twat if he joined Ferrari.

Well Massa started in a lower team. For example before he came to Ferrari he was at Sauber. Raikkonen, before he went to McLaren was also a Sauber driver. Everyone started from the bottom. They got to prove themselves and then raced for big championship winning teams. This twat Lewis Hamilton gets to race for McLaren in his first year. He almost won it then only because of the car. Raikkonen or Massa could of possibly done this as well have Massa not been at Sauber all those years and then in hs first year at Ferrari have to go by the then Ferrari rule of not being allowed to beat Michael Schumacher. And Raikkonen he didn't win at McLaren because he had Michael Schumacher and Alonso to deal with. But the fact remains that if these 2 drivers had started in big teams they would have more titles by now in the case of Raikkonen and at least one by now for Massa. Lewis Hamilton has had it far too easy thus the reason why his championship to me isn't anything special at all.

Hamilton proved he was good enough in McLaren's trainee driver programme.

Massa, however, never proved himself; everybody knew he was a disaster. He only got the Ferrari gig because he was managed by Todt's son. If he were managed by anybody else, he'd be racing in A1 Grand Prix or something now.

No offense but Mclaren's trainee driver pro gramme is no substitute for experience in an actual F1 race. Lewis is a good driver but so is Adrian Sutil and he is in a Force India because he didn't have the good fortune to meet Ron Dennis when he was 13. Lewis should count himself lucky that he is in a Mclaren from the start of his career.

Massa on the other hand was not good enough to drive for Ferrari when he joined (thanks to Nicholas Todt) but he has improved since then and fully deserves his seat.

Put Sutil in the place of Lewis Hamilton when he was 13 and vice versa. Sutil could well be world champion and now and Lewis Hamilton nothing like Sutil. It is simple. Lewis Hamilton was given everything and didn't earn his strips. I still stand by my comment of false youngest ever champion. Had Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Mansell just to name a few start in one of the top teams when they started, they do could of been champions at a very young age.

And Massa has proved that this year he is World Champion material and at the end of the day he has earned his stripes. Simple.

[2eyebrows]

Put me in in Lewis's car and i'd win. No, I wish. Lewis's talent was spotted at a young age, and yes - he was groomed .. .because of that tealent. I definately do rate him, i do agree on the point that he lucked into a good ride at the right time, but had he come in a few years earlier in the bad McLaren we'd say yes - he has talent. Its sometimes hard to swallow when i youngtser comes in right away and gets the best equipment (loads of sour grapes on the grid this year) but he has more than proved he deserves it for me.

AKR, remember all the Schumi slagging, especially 01 - 04. People said 'if so and so' had that car'. Well for me its not an argument, so and so isnt in a Mclaren, Sutil isnt in a McLaren so we'll never know. 'If' is not fact. btw - Sutil is a pretty good driver - they all are.

And if Kimi's form was even slightly better he Massa wouldn't be where he was this year thats it, yes he had a great year and did well, but kimi had a very very poor one by his standards - we know he is better

[la-ultima-curva]

Put Sutil in the place of Lewis Hamilton when he was 13 and vice versa. Sutil could well be world champion and now and Lewis Hamilton nothing like Sutil. It is simple. Lewis Hamilton was given everything and didn't earn his strips. I still stand by my comment of false youngest ever champion. Had Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Mansell just to name a few start in one of the top teams when they started, they do could of been champions at a very young age.

And Massa has proved that this year he is World Champion material and at the end of the day he has earned his stripes. Simple.

you're 100% right, hamilton has not earned his strips, and i'm glad he doesn't strip
but seriously... you can't believe what you've just written? actually i'm going to pretend that you just written this diatribe to goad the mclaren supporters into a retaliation.

and i do actually have some sympathy for you... you are going to have to put up with a "useless" driver who will be champion a couple more times in his career, yes i'm referring to lewis hamilton... the youngest and talentless wdc in the history of f1.

[2eyebrows]

you are going to have to put up with a "useless" driver who will be champion a couple more times in his career,

that would actually annoy me.

Before we make any more judgements lets see what happens when McCrappen make a weaker car (its bound to happen) and see how well hamilton copes with that. ie look for him to beat his teammate well and scrap some positions when he can ala Almono.

[McLaren Fan]

Sutil has talent. I'm completely sure of it. His application of it, however, has been poor. Fisichella, who is a solid but by no means championship-winning driver, comprehensively put him in the shade this season. If weren't for his good performance at Monaco, we'd have forgotten about him. Sutil needs to cut down his mistakes and put more effort into his racing. 2009 could make or break his career, in my view. He has to best Fisichella otherwise we'll be seeing him in A1 Grand Prix or DTM before too long.

[KyrosV]

Sutil has talent. I'm completely sure of it. His application of it, however, has been poor. Fisichella, who is a solid but by no means championship-winning driver, comprehensively put him in the shade this season. If weren't for his good performance at Monaco, we'd have forgotten about him. Sutil needs to cut down his mistakes and put more effort into his racing. 2009 could make or break his career, in my view. He has to best Fisichella otherwise we'll be seeing him in A1 Grand Prix or DTM before too long.

Thats if either of them will be racing next season...

[la-ultima-curva]

you are going to have to put up with a "useless" driver who will be champion a couple more times in his career,

that would actually annoy me.

Before we make any more judgements lets see what happens when McCrappen make a weaker car (its bound to happen) and see how well hamilton copes with that. ie look for him to beat his teammate well and scrap some positions when he can ala Almono.

what about alonso? he had a shocker of a year, except for the last few races were renault found pace from lord knows where, and he's a double world champion. of course all teams have better or worse cars depending on development and what-not, but the fact remains you have probably the best all round driver performing terribly due to his car... does that make him a bad driver? no, or course not.
so by assuming lewis only is good because of his car have a dilemma explaining alonso's poor performance. and you also have to look at kovi... he had essentially the same car as lewis but his points tally is piss poor compared to lewis'.
i could go on.

the fact of the matter is, lewis has just completed his second year in f1, and has managed to win the drivers' title! an unbelievable feat which i think should earn him some respect.
people like AKR are just blinkered due by loyalty and can only appreciate the sport when their team or driver wins... where's the fun? its akin to self gratification and calling it umpalumpa, but at the end of the day its just a w*nk

[bud]

where's the fun? its akin to self gratification and calling it umpalumpa, but at the end of the day its just a w*nk

im writing that one down

[2eyebrows]

what about alonso? he had a shocker of a year, except for the last few races were renault found pace from lord knows where, and he's a double world champion.

He did have a bad year, but always outperformed Piquet by a whole bunch, granted Piquet was usless so hardly a yardstick but he did get a few good positions, even with the mysterious performance gains its was impressive. God, i can't believe I'm standing up for Alonso .. as you've said many times he's a fantastic driver

the fact of the matter is, lewis has just completed his second year in f1, and has managed to win the drivers' title! an unbelievable feat which i think should earn him some respect.

cheers

[AKR]

you are going to have to put up with a "useless" driver who will be champion a couple more times in his career,

that would actually annoy me.

Before we make any more judgements lets see what happens when McCrappen make a weaker car (its bound to happen) and see how well hamilton copes with that. ie look for him to beat his teammate well and scrap some positions when he can ala Almono.

what about alonso? he had a shocker of a year, except for the last few races were renault found pace from lord knows where, and he's a double world champion. of course all teams have better or worse cars depending on development and what-not, but the fact remains you have probably the best all round driver performing terribly due to his car... does that make him a bad driver? no, or course not.
so by assuming lewis only is good because of his car have a dilemma explaining alonso's poor performance. and you also have to look at kovi... he had essentially the same car as lewis but his points tally is piss poor compared to lewis'.
i could go on.

the fact of the matter is, lewis has just completed his second year in f1, and has managed to win the drivers' title! an unbelievable feat which i think should earn him some respect.
people like AKR are just blinkered due by loyalty and can only appreciate the sport when their team or driver wins... where's the fun? its akin to self gratification and calling it umpalumpa, but at the end of the day its just a w*nk

I did appreciate when Alonso won 2 world champions for Renault, even his second one in which he just bet Michael Schumacher. Why? Because Alonso is simply a great driver. Renault means nothing to me but I appreciated his talent and win. Lewis Hamilton simply doesn't do it for me. And if he really wants to win a few more titles he will need to change teams as McLaren are not going to win too many more if a few people on top have their say and way.

[KyrosV]

I think you should be a Renault fan AKR