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[2eyebrows]

though i disagree on Hami being a false champ. he was worthy, Mass would be false to me.

Why? The ruling at Spa was fair as Lewis Hamilton did break the rules. I assume you refer to this incident?

Sure, but go on to Fuji: Bourdais penalty handed Massa extra points where Massa was clearly to blame which would have put him level with lewis had Lewis not got P5 in Brazil.

[AKR]

Or perhaps she's of the opinion that Hami is in fact a twat based on her personality preference

Well based on the fact she's only started calling him a twat since he beat massa.

I'm going to go with the fact she's a typical fangirl - hate the compition and make silly insults against them and accept the fact that Ferrari can do no wrong ever.

I would still call Lewis Hamilton a twat and many other names had he not bet Massa. How many names did I call him when he lost to Kimi? Many..........

And your second paragraph is spot on, except you missed the part that I know a lot about F1 and Ferrari.

know when to stop going on about the fact Lewis is somthing or other or Mclaren are this and Ferrari should win everything.

i don't see how you can't understand that if Ferrari won everything F1

it would become boring and that by going round giving s*** about Mclaren or Mclarens drivers your just looking stupid.

It isn't stupid. Maybe to you but not to me. I do it in football all the time as do all other football fans. Tell me because in football I give s*** the rival team, does that make me know nothing about it? Does it? I can tell you know that in football it is fans like me etc that know the most, so that is why we are so passionate about out club/team. The same is the case with F1 and that is a fact.

[AKR]

though i disagree on Hami being a false champ. he was worthy, Mass would be false to me.

Why? The ruling at Spa was fair as Lewis Hamilton did break the rules. I assume you refer to this incident?

Sure, but go on to Fuji: Bourdais penalty handed Massa extra points where Massa was clearly to blame which would have put him level with lewis had Lewis not got P5 in Brazil.

Hummm I was waiting for that. I guess there is no escaping the fact that not even I can explain that one.

[Gaz]

Or perhaps she's of the opinion that Hami is in fact a twat based on her personality preference

Well based on the fact she's only started calling him a twat since he beat massa.

I'm going to go with the fact she's a typical fangirl - hate the compition and make silly insults against them and accept the fact that Ferrari can do no wrong ever.

I would still call Lewis Hamilton a twat and many other names had he not bet Massa. How many names did I call him when he lost to Kimi? Many..........

And your second paragraph is spot on, except you missed the part that I know a lot about F1 and Ferrari.

know when to stop going on about the fact Lewis is somthing or other or Mclaren are this and Ferrari should win everything.

i don't see how you can't understand that if Ferrari won everything F1

it would become boring and that by going round giving s*** about Mclaren or Mclarens drivers your just looking stupid.

It isn't stupid. Maybe to you but not to me. I do it in football all the time as do all other football fans. Tell me because in football I give s*** the rival team, does that make me know nothing about it? Does it? I can tell you know that in football it is fans like me etc that know the most, so that is why we are so passionate about out club/team. The same is the case with F1 and that is a fact.

There's being Passionate, and theres being Fanatical.

Guess which one i think you are.

You'll be going around beating up Mclaren fan's in Oz next year forming the Ferrari Firm.

lol

[2eyebrows]

Hummm I was waiting for that. I guess there is no escaping the fact that not even I can explain that one.

Nope, there is no way. Its that point that would've made the difference in the end. This years results were right. And as you say, we won the constructers

[Gaz]

though i disagree on Hami being a false champ. he was worthy, Mass would be false to me.

Why? The ruling at Spa was fair as Lewis Hamilton did break the rules. I assume you refer to this incident?

Sure, but go on to Fuji: Bourdais penalty handed Massa extra points where Massa was clearly to blame which would have put him level with lewis had Lewis not got P5 in Brazil.

Hummm I was waiting for that. I guess there is no escaping the fact that not even I can explain that one.

[AKR]

No, please explain how is LH False?

you know dam well you wouldn't be calling him a Twat if he joined Ferrari.

Well Massa started in a lower team. For example before he came to Ferrari he was at Sauber. Raikkonen, before he went to McLaren was also a Sauber driver. Everyone started from the bottom. They got to prove themselves and then raced for big championship winning teams. This twat Lewis Hamilton gets to race for McLaren in his first year. He almost won it then only because of the car. Raikkonen or Massa could of possibly done this as well have Massa not been at Sauber all those years and then in hs first year at Ferrari have to go by the then Ferrari rule of not being allowed to beat Michael Schumacher. And Raikkonen he didn't win at McLaren because he had Michael Schumacher and Alonso to deal with. But the fact remains that if these 2 drivers had started in big teams they would have more titles by now in the case of Raikkonen and at least one by now for Massa. Lewis Hamilton has had it far too easy thus the reason why his championship to me isn't anything special at all.

[AKR]

There's being Passionate, and theres being Fanatical.

Guess which one i think you are.

You'll be going around beating up Mclaren fan's in Oz next year forming the Ferrari Firm.

lol

Fanatical. Well the real meaning of a tifoso/a is that, fanatical. It may mean supporter literally but it is actually fanatical. How do I know this. My dad always used to say to me, "Tu non sei sportiva, sei tifosa". This literally means,"You are not sporting, you are a supporter", however this correctly means, "You have no sportsmanship, you are fanatical" That is what he meant and it is true. Oh well hardcore football fans are like that so I see no reason why I can't be like this in F1. They are afterall both sports.

With your last part, I'll round off a few Italian boys on Lygon Street who would be happy to follow me to the Grand Prix and boo the McLaren camp. *LOL* Just kidding of course.

[AKR]

Hummm I was waiting for that. I guess there is no escaping the fact that not even I can explain that one.

Nope, there is no way. Its that point that would've made the difference in the end. This years results were right. And as you say, we won the constructers

Yes the constructors, the only win of 2008 that matters to me as it is a Ferrari win. I celebrated that one. Did you by any chance celebrate?

[2eyebrows]

Yes the constructors, the only win of 2008 that matters to me as it is a Ferrari win. I celebrated that one. Did you by any chance celebrate?

indeed i did. I shared a bottle of champagne which my McLaren supporting friend provided and we gave each other a sporting pat on the back.

[AKR]

Yes the constructors, the only win of 2008 that matters to me as it is a Ferrari win. I celebrated that one. Did you by any chance celebrate?

indeed i did. I shared a bottle of champagne which my McLaren supporting friend provided and we gave each other a sporting pat on the back.

My Italian friends were not as merciful towards the McLaren supporters. But there were none around whilst I was with them. With the few McLaren supporters I know, I was somewhat more reserved and I guess we congratulated each other. (Even though I was bitter about the fact that Sir Twat Hamilton won the WDC).

[la-ultima-curva]

i'm glad i brought my popcorn into work today.

'tis most entertaining thread although the topic is somewhat confusing
but none-the-less this is about as exciting as watching the box set of Full House with bonus features...

fyi to all supporters of f1 and their respective chosen drivers... to be an f1 driver you have to be an absolute and it doesn't hurt to be a !
so slagging f1 driver off is pretty much pointless.. they are all w4nkers. so just judge them by there performance on track, better all round.

[2eyebrows]

Yes, I'm working on the director's cut

[McLaren Fan]

No, please explain how is LH False?

you know dam well you wouldn't be calling him a Twat if he joined Ferrari.

Well Massa started in a lower team. For example before he came to Ferrari he was at Sauber. Raikkonen, before he went to McLaren was also a Sauber driver. Everyone started from the bottom. They got to prove themselves and then raced for big championship winning teams. This twat Lewis Hamilton gets to race for McLaren in his first year. He almost won it then only because of the car. Raikkonen or Massa could of possibly done this as well have Massa not been at Sauber all those years and then in hs first year at Ferrari have to go by the then Ferrari rule of not being allowed to beat Michael Schumacher. And Raikkonen he didn't win at McLaren because he had Michael Schumacher and Alonso to deal with. But the fact remains that if these 2 drivers had started in big teams they would have more titles by now in the case of Raikkonen and at least one by now for Massa. Lewis Hamilton has had it far too easy thus the reason why his championship to me isn't anything special at all.

Hamilton proved he was good enough in McLaren's trainee driver programme.

Massa, however, never proved himself; everybody knew he was a disaster. He only got the Ferrari gig because he was managed by Todt's son. If he were managed by anybody else, he'd be racing in A1 Grand Prix or something now.

[8-ball]

No, please explain how is LH False?

you know dam well you wouldn't be calling him a Twat if he joined Ferrari.

Well Massa started in a lower team. For example before he came to Ferrari he was at Sauber. Raikkonen, before he went to McLaren was also a Sauber driver. Everyone started from the bottom. They got to prove themselves and then raced for big championship winning teams. This twat Lewis Hamilton gets to race for McLaren in his first year. He almost won it then only because of the car. Raikkonen or Massa could of possibly done this as well have Massa not been at Sauber all those years and then in hs first year at Ferrari have to go by the then Ferrari rule of not being allowed to beat Michael Schumacher. And Raikkonen he didn't win at McLaren because he had Michael Schumacher and Alonso to deal with. But the fact remains that if these 2 drivers had started in big teams they would have more titles by now in the case of Raikkonen and at least one by now for Massa. Lewis Hamilton has had it far too easy thus the reason why his championship to me isn't anything special at all.

Hamilton proved he was good enough in McLaren's trainee driver programme.

Massa, however, never proved himself; everybody knew he was a disaster. He only got the Ferrari gig because he was managed by Todt's son. If he were managed by anybody else, he'd be racing in A1 Grand Prix or something now.

No offense but Mclaren's trainee driver pro gramme is no substitute for experience in an actual F1 race. Lewis is a good driver but so is Adrian Sutil and he is in a Force India because he didn't have the good fortune to meet Ron Dennis when he was 13. Lewis should count himself lucky that he is in a Mclaren from the start of his career.

Massa on the other hand was not good enough to drive for Ferrari when he joined (thanks to Nicholas Todt) but he has improved since then and fully deserves his seat.