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[spankyham]

Can someone explain to me why Vettel (again!) isn't penalised for doing exactly the same thing as someone else does and gets penalised for???????

How many times does he change direction at the start?

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I don't believe the rule applies at the start

No exemption for the start. Here is the rule:-
20.2 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position,
deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are
not permitted.


Therefore the question stands, Vettel's changes of direction are more and more severe than anything Lewis did to Alonso.

This is two races where Vettel has broken rules (where other drivers have been penalised) and he has gotten off without even a warning. It's hard to believe, but the officiating is getting worse.

[Bubbie]

Good race today. Lots of great overtakes and a lot of action right through to the end. One of the best race starts I have seen in a long time.

Vettel continues to put up the performance when needed. We saw in Quali that when needed he can pull the technical perfection out and take pole.

The real shame for me today was that Renault couldn't capitalize with both cars on the AMAZING start they had. Petrov actually had to get out of the throttle a little bit and still was able to pull up the outside. He made a couple dumb mistakes and that affected his day. Heidfeld showed well for Renault and hopefully we see this team (which I consider fighting for 3rd place with Ferrari in terms of the big boys) continue their success and running with the big dogs.

Schumi had an awesome start. I would have liked to see Mercedes actually start to show that they are a front runner, but alas they continue to be a midfield team. I just dont get why they are so off it with so much money and talent behind them. I have to go back to mismanagement, but with one of the best principles in the game how can that be.

Webber after a disastrous start was able to come back and make some excellent moves to come back way up to the front. With no KERS nonetheless. Great drive from Mark.

Alonso tough race but was showing that he is one of the best and drove around the problems in his cars.

Button showed some of the magic that we have not seen in a long time and that he can be a fast driver when he puts his mind to it. Hopefully he puts his mind to it a lot more and we see him claw himself back up there with Hammy, Vettel and Alo.

[geetface9]

Webber had a hell of a drive!! I have no doubt he would have been either first or second place if his KERS was working. Even without KERS he was only 26 seconds behind vettel by the end of the race so they might have had quite a start had his KERS been working, especially with vettel not using his anymore starting halfway through the race. Good pit strategy from red bull and it was AWESOME watching mark vs. kamui and mark vs. massa, especially that overtake on turn 1 and 2!! OUTSTANDING And I was on my feet at lap 53 when Webber was pulling up to Heidfeld. Anybody know if he didn't pass because of the safety due to petrov's accident?? I didn't see mark activate his DRS on 54 and 55 even though he was within range. Webber did mediocre in his first 2 races last year and then he really started picking up the pace so hopefully this will be true this year as well and we'll see him challenging hard for the title. I'm sick of hearing about this "wunderkid" or w/e the freakin' germans call him...It's gonna be a long season for us webber fans

Anyway, what the happened to nico rosberg?! I just kept seeing him drop back consistently...not at all what I expected. Terribly bad luck for petrov...Idk if there's anyway he'd have known he'd be bunny hopping over the grass like that. I felt bad but I couldn't help but laugh! Overall, it was an awesome race and everything I'd hoped for from the Malaysian GP. I don't like rain at all cuz I love just watching everybody go all out, but the threat of rain did add to the tension and excitement of it all so I had a blast.

[f1ea]

didnt watch the race....
was 'out of reach' for the weekend.

so how many places in average does Alonso loses in his starts???

<oh that Alonso-hamilton fight was great. very good stuff.
But... how come Alonso got a penalty for clipping the nose?? thats happened tons of times to no penalty
and Lewis, i assume his penalty was not for that particular incident but rather something about the way he defended at a couple of times... >

[CarBore]

so how many places in average does Alonso loses in his starts???

Less than Webber does

[myownalias]

The Hamilton/Alonso punishment was absolutely stupid; that sends a message to drivers that they shouldn't race 100%, oh well someone's attempting to pass; best let them pass!!!

The below quote is part of what I wrote on my blog about it:

Now for more on the Hamilton/Alonso collision; anyone with eyes could see that it was a racing incident; so why didn’t the stewards see it the same way? Both drivers were called to the stewards after the race and the result of a 20 second penalty for each of the drivers. Frankly this is a crock of s***; both were racing hard and that is what F1 is about; no wonder drivers are a little wary of overtaking. Hamilton was hit with a penalty because he supposedly made more defensive moves than he was allowed and Alonso for causing a collision. Yet two weeks earlier Felipe Massa made numerous moves to block Jenson Button from passing in Australia and nothing was said or done, what the f***? these stewards are more inconsistent than the Malaysian weather.

[Hammer278]

The Hamilton/Alonso punishment was absolutely stupid; that sends a message to drivers that they shouldn't race 100%, oh well someone's attempting to pass; best let them pass!!!

The below quote is part of what I wrote on my blog about it:

Now for more on the Hamilton/Alonso collision; anyone with eyes could see that it was a racing incident; so why didn’t the stewards see it the same way? Both drivers were called to the stewards after the race and the result of a 20 second penalty for each of the drivers. Frankly this is a crock of s***; both were racing hard and that is what F1 is about; no wonder drivers are a little wary of overtaking. Hamilton was hit with a penalty because he supposedly made more defensive moves than he was allowed and Alonso for causing a collision. Yet two weeks earlier Felipe Massa made numerous moves to block Jenson Button from passing in Australia and nothing was said or done, what the f***? these stewards are more inconsistent than the Malaysian weather.

Hey! What did the Malaysian weather do to you?

[killem2]

That was fantastic. Petrov going air borne was exciting, sad but exciting. Not sure what the hell Alonzo was thinking, rookie mistake there. Great drive by webber having a busted KERS.


This is a great sport. I like that the tires are discarding rubber so badly that it looks like a magic marker revealing the secret racing line the fans can't really see unless the cars are on it. Who needs sprinklers when you have a constant risk by trying to over take but then you have KERS and DRS to help overtaking, it's just great. Just friggin awesome. Well done to Nick Heifeld he has redeemed himself from melbourne.

[acosmichippo]

Nick had damage to his car in Australia from a Toro Rosso. Not really his fault.

[bud]

Can someone explain to me why Vettel (again!) isn't penalised for doing exactly the same thing as someone else does and gets penalised for???????

How many times does he change direction at the start?

[youtube]dMr4_nmGQgI[/youtube]

I don't believe the rule applies at the start

No exemption for the start. Here is the rule:-
20.2 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position,
deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are
not permitted.


Therefore the question stands, Vettel's changes of direction are more and more severe than anything Lewis did to Alonso.

This is two races where Vettel has broken rules (where other drivers have been penalised) and he has gotten off without even a warning. It's hard to believe, but the officiating is getting worse.

I see what you're saying but race starts are all about trying to find position and line for the first corner. It's part and parcel of grid starts, its exciting. Id rather it than formation starts.

I remember saying in the past you cant change lines twice to defend and people drilled me for it, guess who was right yet again? I can handle Lewis' penalty it was there but it goes unpunished so many times so if its applied consistently that would be nice. As for Alonso's penalty.. it was pathetic it's not like Rubens move in Australia which was just stupid and deserved a penalty for taking out another car. But lucky for him he didn't lose a place so it didnt hurt at all.

[spankyham]

I see what you're saying but race starts are all about trying to find position and line for the first corner. It's part and parcel of grid starts, its exciting. Id rather it than formation starts.

I remember saying in the past you cant change lines twice to defend and people drilled me for it, guess who was right yet again? I can handle Lewis' penalty it was there but it goes unpunished so many times so if its applied consistently that would be nice. As for Alonso's penalty.. it was pathetic it's not like Rubens move in Australia which was just stupid and deserved a penalty for taking out another car. But lucky for him he didn't lose a place so it didnt hurt at all.

It's exactly my point Bud. The rule is a crock of sh!t, and the penalties they gave out are even bigger crocks of sh!t. What we had from Lewis and Nando was racing, pure and simple. The only thing the stewards should have done was call them up and congratulate them on putting on a great race for a position.

My gripe is they arbitrarily penalise one guy for doing something that has been done in the same race, to a worse extent by others. If they want to argue "they don't write the rules but just enforce them" then they should bloody-well ping every driver who moves more than once to defend a line. Either that, or come out and say its a ridiculous rule and get rid of it (i.e. let drivers actually race!).

The FiA stewards are just proving how inconsistent and abysmal they are. For them, Lewis ever so slight 2nd move was enough for them classify it as dangerous, yet, they cant work out that when the RB7's front wing is scraping the tarmac that it's already legally too low. Perhaps what they should develop a test for is Race Stewards selective eye sight!

[kerc]

The rule is a crock of sh!t, and the penalties they gave out are even bigger crocks of sh!t. What we had from Lewis and Nando was racing, pure and simple.

Agree 100%. Fernando was a dork for hitting Lewis, but in no way they should have been penalized. Two of the top five racers were racing.

I'd love to see FIA Formula 1 stewards judging over a BTCC race.

[scotty]

Like they gave Hamilton the wrong set of tyres or something?! That early season screw over from Mclaren has happened after all I knew things were looking almost too good to be true!

I haven't read exactly what happened with the poor stop and Hamilton out on crappy tires, but that second-rate work isn't going to get their drivers to a championship win.

Utter BS of you guys to place the blame in McLaren's lap for Hamilton's bad tyre stint! He wrecked a set of softs in qualifying and so couldn't re-use them. Pretty obviously not the team's fault.

[nish2280]

The rule is a crock of sh!t, and the penalties they gave out are even bigger crocks of sh!t. What we had from Lewis and Nando was racing, pure and simple.

Agree 100%. Fernando was a dork for hitting Lewis, but in no way they should have been penalized. Two of the top five racers were racing.

I'd love to see FIA Formula 1 stewards judging over a BTCC race.

Sorry but you cant blame Fernando for that. You can watch the incident again on youtube and you clearly see that fernando was too deep to pull out and he would have made it stick but Lewis anticipated his move beautifully, as if he was reading his mind, i would say it was unavoidable and i believe you cant blame either of them.

[LewEngBridewell]

Sorry but you cant blame Fernando for that. You can watch the incident again on youtube and you clearly see that fernando was too deep to pull out and he would have made it stick but Lewis anticipated his move beautifully, as if he was reading his mind, i would say it was unavoidable and i believe you cant blame either of them.

I am a staunch McLaren fan, but I have to say I completely agree with you. Racing incident. Should in no way have been punished. Racing at such speeds makes things like that inevitable. All part of the spectacle.