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[WorksS25]

So Ferrari have done it by changing Felipes gearbox and starts 11th


Rossi is the GOAT.
Villeneuve greatest not to be Champ

[scotty]

Incredible. They have not learnt a thing even after humiliating themselves in Austria 2002, USA 2002, Hockenheim 2011...they'd never learn I guess.

If Alonso wins this WDC (Which he wont) this GP is going to put a big black stain on it.

Maybe a little brown mixed in?

I think the only brown here is the pants of some Red Bull fans and anti-Ferraristas

I don't hate Ferrari nor do i like Red Bull, but my opinion was pretty clear

[vlad]

Damn, Austin is a fun place!!!

[andrew]

Incredible. They have not learnt a thing even after humiliating themselves in Austria 2002, USA 2002, Hockenheim 2011...they'd never learn I guess.

If Alonso wins this WDC (Which he wont) this GP is going to put a big black stain on it.

Maybe a little brown mixed in?

I think the only brown here is the pants of some Red Bull fans and anti-Ferraristas

I don't hate Ferrari nor do i like Red Bull, but my opinion was pretty clear

If Red Bull did the same to either of their drivers I'd still be just as annoyed. I speak as an F1 fan.

[scotty]

I mean, i can see why they did it, they have to try to win, that is their job. But this method feels so damn cheap.

[spankyham]

If Red Bull did the same to either of their drivers I'd still be just as annoyed. I speak as an F1 fan.

Let me get this right, if Red Bull were creative in their interpretation of some rules, and didn't strictly stick to the intent of the rules then you'd be just as annoyed?

[LRW]

All those moaning about how unfair it is on Massa..... he signed the contract, he knows whats expected on a No.2 driver - Ferrari ALWAYS comes first.

Dont get me wrong - i dont agree with it - i think its totally unsporting - and most of all is unfair on the other drivers now moving up a place onto the dirty side of the grid.

BUT I also thought how RedBull took full advantage last race, was wrong. I can agree that what Ferrari is doing can be seen as worse - but still not breaking any current rules - and that was the defence people used for RedBull last race.

[pilotfriend]

It makes a joke out of F1. End of story.

[Jabberwocky]

I think it is clever by Ferrari, and as it is a team sport why shouldn't they do it.

This is assuming that there is nothing wrong with Massa's gear box.

[spankyham]

I mean, i can see why they did it, they have to try to win, that is their job. But this method feels so damn cheap.

You put your point fairly, I don't mind others not agreeing with what Ferrari are doing. You might note I did have a "some" in my original post. As far as I'm concerned,it's an absolutely legit move by the team, not even a shade of grey as far as the rules are concerned. I'd do exactly the same thing if I was boss of a team in the same position.

[andrew]

If Red Bull did the same to either of their drivers I'd still be just as annoyed. I speak as an F1 fan.

Let me get this right, if Red Bull were creative in their interpretation of some rules, and didn't strictly stick to the intent of the rules then you'd be just as annoyed?

Of course I would be if they were screwing one of their drivers like Ferrari are doing (yet again) to Massa!

It makes a joke out of F1. End of story.

+1

Ferrari are the first to complain when another team doesn't act within the "spirit of the rules" then they go and do this?

[supeindesu]

Somebody spend millions and millions and you think he/she/they won't take any possible advantage?

Toro Rosso uses to block RBs contenders and they allow to pass the RBs inmediately... That's the price for been the second team, something that nobody else has.

[spankyham]

I think it is clever by Ferrari, and as it is a team sport why shouldn't they do it.

This is assuming that there is nothing wrong with Massa's gear box.

Nothing wrong with Massa's gearbox, in fact they aren't even actually changing it. All the team did was break a seal then showed the FiA that the seal was broken - automatic penalty.

[mnmracer]

All those moaning about how unfair it is on Massa..... he signed the contract, he knows whats expected on a No.2 driver - Ferrari ALWAYS comes first.

Dont get me wrong - i dont agree with it - i think its totally unsporting - and most of all is unfair on the other drivers now moving up a place onto the dirty side of the grid.

BUT I also thought how RedBull took full advantage last race, was wrong. I can agree that what Ferrari is doing can be seen as worse - but still not breaking any current rules - and that was the defence people used for RedBull last race.

You're bolding the wrong part.

"i think its totally unsporting"
This is what it's all about. I think no one is challenging it's legallity, it's just bad form to affect ANOTHER driver.

[Jabberwocky]

If I was redbull I would be fiddling with Webbers gear box about now