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[vlad]

Gotta love FIA and Ferrari...

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No penalty, same case.

[darwin dali]

Nice find!

[LRW]

You lot make me laugh so much.

[scotty]

Gotta love FIA and Ferrari...

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No penalty, same case.

Also 9 years ago!

[What's Burning?]

I appreciate the video and stuff but I don't see what it has to do with Vettel being handed a 20 second penalty today. I'd be interested to hear your opinion of that.

[Jabberwocky]

TBH I think Vettel had made a thing about going off at that turn and to be honest should of got a penalty for constantly doing it.

I am not sure if other drivers where doing the same, if so they should get a penalty as well.

[Jabberwocky]

I liked the post race interview on the podium

[zurich_allan]

Gotta love FIA and Ferrari...

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No penalty, same case.

Ah, but it's not the same case. Even accounting for the literally thousands of changes in regulations, tracks, personnel in F1, the actual move itself has key differences.

Today, the entire pass was off the race track - when Vettel came back on track he came on ahead of Button. In that race, Schumacher came back on track alongside Trulli - where he was before he went off track. He then completed the overtake from the same position he was in prior to going off whilst on the track. In other words, there is no advantage, or at the very least it can be argued that there is no advantage. He was alongside Trulli both before and after leaving the track - no better off, no worse off - prior to completing the move legally.

I can understand the reason someone might say the move is similar, especially if you were to show it to someone who doesn't really follow motorsport or know the rules insde out, but not that it's the same, because it simply isn't. Certainly it's not even close to as clear cut as the example from today.

[What's Burning?]

I swear... I love the F1site's polls.

Which of the podium finishers impressed you most with their race performance in Germany?

Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Jenson Button

[Hammer278]

Gotta love FIA and Ferrari...

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No penalty, same case.

Man those were the days! No DRS, no disintegrating tyres....just flat out racing.

[madbrad]

Whoever wins the title in 2012 will have gone through a hard fight. Most deserved title, Mr. X!

That retirement home of Lauda's needs to keep him on the compound on Sundays! physical restraint if necessary!

[Big Azza]

As I said... deserved penalty. A swap of positions would not be justified, as Seb has shown he is willing to break a rule to gain an advantage. However, it is likely that this just slipped Vettel's mind, considering that Fernando Alonso was able to get pole whilst leaving the track 2 or 3 times...

For those complaining about Vettel's attitude - he is still a very friendly and genuine person on the grid there. Alonso complains when things aren't going his way, and Hamilton's whinging has become something of a staple diet in Formula One. All winners don't like losing. What can I say? I have not seen the arrogance in him that Hamilton and Button had when they were winning in the past few years...

A time away from winning does wonders to people's big egos. So if Vettel doesn't win the championship this year, you could see a similar change in his demeanor as we've seen in Button post-championship year. However I don't care about that because I don't see a trace of badness in Vettel, just someone who gets frustrated like we all do when things don't go our way.

What I hate, though, is the double-standard imposed on the forum here and in other places. Hamilton is allowed to speak his mind. Webber is a demi-god for speaking his mind. But Sebastian Vettel? Seriously? I mentioned his jab at Webber yesterday and people were bringing up Fuji 2009?

However, at least international forums are much better than these local ones in Australia. Australians just have a real hatred for any winner. You watch - if Webber wins a world championship, Australians will turn against him, like they did with Casey Stoner, the Queensland State of Origin team etc, etc, etc....

[LewEngBridewell]

Man those were the days! No DRS, no disintegrating tyres....just flat out racing.

And nigh on impossible to pull a pass sometimes... there are two sides to every coin. Although 2003, in particular, was a stand-out year, in a very positive way. Despite the end result, it was a momentary respite during the dreadful years of relentless Ferrari domination and corruption.

I mentioned his jab at Webber yesterday and people were bringing up Fuji 2009?

Fuji 2007, more likely, where Vettel rammed Webber out from 2nd in the wet.

[andrew]

Man those were the days! No DRS, no disintegrating tyres....just flat out racing.

And nigh on impossible to pull a pass sometimes... there are two sides to every coin. Although 2003, in particular, was a stand-out year, in a very positive way. Despite the end result, it was a momentary respite during the dreadful years of relentless Ferrari domination and corruption.

Passing is meant to be nigh on impossible. Winning a pass is meant to be a a hard slog, not a case of turn up, push a couple of magic buttons and the pass is done.

[LewEngBridewell]

Man those were the days! No DRS, no disintegrating tyres....just flat out racing.

And nigh on impossible to pull a pass sometimes... there are two sides to every coin. Although 2003, in particular, was a stand-out year, in a very positive way. Despite the end result, it was a momentary respite during the dreadful years of relentless Ferrari domination and corruption.

Passing is meant to be nigh on impossible. Winning a pass is meant to be a a hard slog, not a case of turn up, push a couple of magic buttons and the pass is done.

We wouldn't have been hearing statements like that a few years ago!

Ohh, how times change!