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#190006
I'm pretty sure thats BS what they're talking about. Red Bull wouldn't do a mistake like that while building their car, none of the teams would
#190009
7 would use less fuel :P


Doesnt the injector keep sending fuel regardless of whether it gets burned or not?
I think it consumes more because the other cyls try to compensate and the one that isnt firing is still getting fuel sent to it. I think.

I'm pretty sure thats BS what they're talking about. Red Bull wouldn't do a mistake like that while building their car, none of the teams would


They 'could' make the mistake, or Vettel could have pushed a little too hard as well. Just like Massa, his car was overheating and thus consuming more fuel. Massa and Vettel* were pushing hard... Alonso was probably pushing a bit less.

*hopefully, he couldnt have been that fast without pushing!
#190015
7 would use less fuel :P


Doesnt the injector keep sending fuel regardless of whether it gets burned or not?
I think it consumes more because the other cyls try to compensate and the one that isnt firing is still getting fuel sent to it. I think.


yeah i understand what youre getting at but it all depends on what is causing the cylinder to not work in the first place, it could be that there is no fuel getting in to combust.


*hopefully, he couldnt have been that fast without pushing!

wishful thinking :hehe:
#190018
Lewis won me £25 :) but alonso was on fire :) come on mclaren......sort it out button.....just kidding :)
#190022
oh nothing thing i did notice , while on mclarens website durning the race you could have car telemetry , jenson's race pace was a far bit slower than lewis's ! who said lewis cant look after his tyres ! looks like that smooth style isnt working jenson :) was shocked he every nearly didnt make it into q3 :P another thing mark webber said he had no idea about the smoking from the back of his car ! the teams need to sort them mirriors out !
#190027
oh nothing thing i did notice , while on mclarens website durning the race you could have car telemetry , jenson's race pace was a far bit slower than lewis's ! who said lewis cant look after his tyres ! looks like that smooth style isnt working jenson :) was shocked he every nearly didnt make it into q3 :P another thing mark webber said he had no idea about the smoking from the back of his car ! the teams need to sort them mirriors out !

Just give Jenson some time, he was also blocked behind Michael. We'll get a better picture in OZ
#190028
oh nothing thing i did notice , while on mclarens website durning the race you could have car telemetry , jenson's race pace was a far bit slower than lewis's ! who said lewis cant look after his tyres ! looks like that smooth style isnt working jenson :) was shocked he every nearly didnt make it into q3 :P another thing mark webber said he had no idea about the smoking from the back of his car ! the teams need to sort them mirriors out !

Just give Jenson some time, he was also blocked behind Michael. We'll get a better picture in OZ


If you look at Lewis' times (look for Gaz' post some pages back), they were also slower when he was behind Nico.

Also, everyone has said the tires are lasting longer than they thought; and that they babied their tires more than they should have. Jenson has some work to do, but he wasnt that bad. I think Webber came out worse fared vs Vettel (hugely dictated by a poor Q run).

I'm kinda excited for next race. Noboody will be babying their tires and will go for it and push right away... and run out of fuel near the end :rofl:

yeah i understand what youre getting at but it all depends on what is causing the cylinder to not work in the first place, it could be that there is no fuel getting in to combust.


They said it was a spark plug. Also, F1's engine could have the computer shutting injection if there is no spark....... dont know.

f1ea wrote:
*hopefully, he couldnt have been that fast without pushing!

wishful thinking


:)
#190029
As far as I know. Tyre wear wasn't a probelm at Bahrain. In fact, the teams could have run nearly the whole race distance on those medium tyres. So in my opinion, it proves nothing aboout drivers or cars.

Bridgestone don't want the tyres to be a probelm because it makes them look bad. They the tyres to look good, durable and stable.
#190030
oh nothing thing i did notice , while on mclarens website durning the race you could have car telemetry , jenson's race pace was a far bit slower than lewis's ! who said lewis cant look after his tyres ! looks like that smooth style isnt working jenson :) was shocked he every nearly didnt make it into q3 :P another thing mark webber said he had no idea about the smoking from the back of his car ! the teams need to sort them mirriors out !

Just give Jenson some time, he was also blocked behind Michael. We'll get a better picture in OZ


If you look at Lewis' times (look for Gaz' post some pages back), they were also slower when he was behind Nico.

Also, everyone has said the tires are lasting longer than they thought; and that they babied their tires more than they should have. Jenson has some work to do, but he wasnt that bad. I think Webber came out worse fared vs Vettel (hugely dictated by a poor Q run).

I find it funny how the press are sitting back and patting themselves on the back for predicting Hamilton would best Button and Vettel would best Webber but they're excusing Schumacher's loss to Rosberg as a one-off caused by the rules. Apparently there are only mitigating circumstances if they allow the press to continue to spout their predictable narrative. I have a new phrase for it:

"If it happened to Button, it's an excuse. If it happened to Schumacher (Or Hamilton, or Alonso - insert whoever you want), it's a real shame."
As far as I know. Tyre wear wasn't a probelm at Bahrain. In fact, the teams could have run nearly the whole race distance on those medium tyres. So in my opinion, it proves nothing aboout drivers or cars.

It's worse than that. The Options (Super Softs in this case) were able to go half the race. That shouldn't be possible, and as long as it is...Races will be a procession.
#190034
As far as I know. Tyre wear wasn't a probelm at Bahrain. In fact, the teams could have run nearly the whole race distance on those medium tyres. So in my opinion, it proves nothing aboout drivers or cars.

It's worse than that. The Options (Super Softs in this case) were able to go half the race. That shouldn't be possible, and as long as it is...Races will be a procession.

Thats issue. It won't change. If they did change it and they had tyres dropping of a cliff face, and drivers blaming tyres for poor performances. Then Bridgestone would look bad. Thats not what they're in the sport for, and they'll simply refuse to make the tyres that marginal.

Mandatory 2 stops I'd say are needed.

No re-fueling isn't work either unfortunatly. The heavy cars mean it's hard for the drivers to push hard and get past another driver without destroying their tyres. What we need in fact is less marginal tyres so drivers have the confidence to push.

James Allen said tyres closer together would work
My proposal would be more simple than that and would not require unanimous agreement. It is for Bridgestone to bring tyres which are closer together in performance, rather than two steps apart as at present. This was done last season and it improved things, but now they have gone back to bringing super soft and medium to the first race. Because the soft is so much faster, around 6/10ths and degrades more quickly, it will always be the qualifying tyre, which then leads to an early first pit stop for the medium, which is the better race tyre.

With tyres that are closer together, the performance difference is less and so are the wear rates and it is more attractive to try a different tactic. I’ve asked quite a few engineers tonight and they agree that it would be a step in the right direction without disadvantaging anyone.

Makes sense to me
#190041
:hehe::yawn:

Interesting comments from Hamilton:

from crash.net

Tue, 16 Mar 11:40:11 2010

Buzz Up!
Former world champion Lewis Hamilton has blamed an ‘aggressive’ move from Ferrari rival Felipe Massa at the start of Sunday’s F1 2010 curtain-raising Bahrain Grand Prix for costing him the chance to battle the Brazilian’s team-mate Fernando Alonso for victory in Sakhir.

Massa and Hamilton began the race in the desert kingdom from second and fourth spots on the grid respectively, but the McLaren-Mercedes ace claims that he was ‘squeezed’ when the lights went out – causing him to cede track position to the Mercedes Grand Prix of Nico Rosberg as he found himself forced off-line and consequently lost momentum.

Despite his best efforts on a heavy fuel load, the British star would not succeed in clearing the young German until the pair made their sole pit-stops of the race on laps 15 (Hamilton) and 16 (Rosberg). Although he subsequently went on to put on a charge that took him to barely seven seconds adrift of his earlier duellist Massa at the chequered flag, the 25-year-old contends that had things worked out differently at the start, he could perhaps have been challenging Alonso for the top step of the podium rather than occupying the bottom one.

“I didn’t even know who it was,” Hamilton told the BBC after watching a re-run of the first few seconds of the grand prix, making it clear that in his opinion Massa had overstepped the mark. “He was squeezing, he looked in the mirror...it was pretty aggressive. I didn’t realise how far I was ahead. I probably wouldn’t have risked banging wheels at that speed.

“If I had pulled that move off on the outside, I would have been able to keep up with Fernando. I honestly feel that I would have been able to keep up, but it’s all about if and when.”


Make your own conclusion;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNw3nfoWUcs
#190042
:hehe: :yawn:

Interesting comments from Hamilton:

from crash.net

Tue, 16 Mar 11:40:11 2010

Buzz Up!
Former world champion Lewis Hamilton has blamed an ‘aggressive’ move from Ferrari rival Felipe Massa at the start of Sunday’s F1 2010 curtain-raising Bahrain Grand Prix for costing him the chance to battle the Brazilian’s team-mate Fernando Alonso for victory in Sakhir.

Massa and Hamilton began the race in the desert kingdom from second and fourth spots on the grid respectively, but the McLaren-Mercedes ace claims that he was ‘squeezed’ when the lights went out – causing him to cede track position to the Mercedes Grand Prix of Nico Rosberg as he found himself forced off-line and consequently lost momentum.

Despite his best efforts on a heavy fuel load, the British star would not succeed in clearing the young German until the pair made their sole pit-stops of the race on laps 15 (Hamilton) and 16 (Rosberg). Although he subsequently went on to put on a charge that took him to barely seven seconds adrift of his earlier duellist Massa at the chequered flag, the 25-year-old contends that had things worked out differently at the start, he could perhaps have been challenging Alonso for the top step of the podium rather than occupying the bottom one.

“I didn’t even know who it was,” Hamilton told the BBC after watching a re-run of the first few seconds of the grand prix, making it clear that in his opinion Massa had overstepped the mark. “He was squeezing, he looked in the mirror...it was pretty aggressive. I didn’t realise how far I was ahead. I probably wouldn’t have risked banging wheels at that speed.

“If I had pulled that move off on the outside, I would have been able to keep up with Fernando. I honestly feel that I would have been able to keep up, but it’s all about if and when.”


Make your own conclusion;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNw3nfoWUcs


I didn't even notice that, I was prob too excited at the fact is was the start of the race.

that footage is a bit too shakey for me
#190046
Lewis was still ahead going into the next turn. It was his fault for out-braking himself and then losing out to Rosberg. He's pushed people like that before many a time. Besides, he wasn't really complaining about it anyway. Crash.net just making a headline there in my opinion.
#190049
I didn't even notice that, I was prob too excited at the fact is was the start of the race.

Neither did I.

that footage is a bit too shakey for me

All you have to do is focus on 2nd and 3rd or use the stop/pause buttun like I did, then you will see he was not pushed so far as to chance a crash, no wall.

Lewis was still ahead going into the next turn. It was his fault for out-braking himself and then losing out to Rosberg. He's pushed people like that before many a time.

:yes: and even more severe.

Besides, he wasn't really complaining about it anyway. Crash.net just making a headline there in my opinion.

Sounds like complaining to me regardless of whom the statement came from except if it was the British media.
#190050
As far as I know. Tyre wear wasn't a probelm at Bahrain. In fact, the teams could have run nearly the whole race distance on those medium tyres. So in my opinion, it proves nothing aboout drivers or cars.

It's worse than that. The Options (Super Softs in this case) were able to go half the race. That shouldn't be possible, and as long as it is...Races will be a procession.

Thats issue. It won't change. If they did change it and they had tyres dropping of a cliff face, and drivers blaming tyres for poor performances. Then Bridgestone would look bad. Thats not what they're in the sport for, and they'll simply refuse to make the tyres that marginal.

Mandatory 2 stops I'd say are needed.

Why would that help? That would just repeat the process we have with one stop.
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