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[EagleF1-27]

I am of the opinion that even though Button won, Hamilton had the better drive. He made so many heart stopping overtaking moves that we have come to expect from him in the past. He was justified when he said at the end he had driven one of his best races. Button had the luck with him today, he could so easily have gone off like he did and gone into a wall. He also wasnt at the wrong end of a bad McLaren strategic decision we have also come to know them for.
Its probably fair to say in the figthing mood Lewis was in that hadnt he been brought in for the tyre change, Button's mostly quiet run to the flag wouldnt have been so easy. And lets not forget Vettel being taken out by the Red Bull gremilns again .
I am just happy that the race was exciting compared to Bahrain and it has to be said most of that was down to Hamilton.

For all that Hamilton deserves a large share of the credit for the quality of today's "show" you can't really forget Alonso's comeback, or di Grassi saying "thanks but no thanks" to Schumi... or the guts of Robert Kubica to defy the odds. And one thing you can't forget is Buttons roll of the dice.

Hell even Massa's handful of a drive added to the story.

Ah yes, in my Jenson/Lewis discussion I forgot to mention all these other moments. Alonso certianly showed Massa a thing or two, it was funny to hear Massa's engineeer telling him how to take the last few bends!

[f1ea]

Alonso certianly showed Massa a thing or two, it was funny to hear Massa's engineeer telling him how to take the last few bends!

I didnt hear that part. What did they tell him? must have been funny

Alonso was much better than Massa. Massa held Fernando quite signifficantly. I guess its good for the sport and racing, but i guess it will all depend on how the championship keeps developping. I thought Fernando was going to pit when held off by Massa...... good thing he didnt hehe

[EwanM]

I am of the opinion that even though Button won, Hamilton had the better drive. He made so many heart stopping overtaking moves that we have come to expect from him in the past. He was justified when he said at the end he had driven one of his best races. Button had the luck with him today, he could so easily have gone off like he did and gone into a wall. He also wasnt at the wrong end of a bad McLaren strategic decision we have also come to know them for.
Its probably fair to say in the figthing mood Lewis was in that hadnt he been brought in for the tyre change, Button's mostly quiet run to the flag wouldnt have been so easy. And lets not forget Vettel being taken out by the Red Bull gremilns again .
I am just happy that the race was exciting compared to Bahrain and it has to be said most of that was down to Hamilton.

For all that Hamilton deserves a large share of the credit for the quality of today's "show" you can't really forget Alonso's comeback, or di Grassi saying "thanks but no thanks" to Schumi... or the guts of Robert Kubica to defy the odds. And one thing you can't forget is Buttons roll of the dice.

Hell even Massa's handful of a drive added to the story.

Ah yes, in my Jenson/Lewis discussion I forgot to mention all these other moments. Alonso certianly showed Massa a thing or two, it was funny to hear Massa's engineeer telling him how to take the last few bends!

It was frustrating that Alonso did not get past Massa as I think he would have had a better chance to have a go at Kubica. However, Massa can't be made to play the team game and Alonso only has himself to blame for the start. I feel that if he hadn't spun then he might have been in with a shout at victory.
Then again you could have said that Webber would have also had a chance had he not lost time in the pits.

Despite this, I have the feeling that if Massa had been the first car that Webber and Hamilton encountered in their charge then the outcome may have been different. Anyone agree?

I tell you two drivers that nobody has really mentioned yet: Liuzzi and Barrichello (if you have in passing then I apologise and I'll try move this final point into the official race thread). Quiet, yet very very solid drives.

[EagleF1-27]

Alonso certianly showed Massa a thing or two, it was funny to hear Massa's engineeer telling him how to take the last few bends!

I didnt hear that part. What did they tell him? must have been funny

Alonso was much better than Massa. Massa held Fernando quite signifficantly. I guess its good for the sport and racing, but i guess it will all depend on how the championship keeps developping. I thought Fernando was going to pit when held off by Massa...... good thing he didnt hehe

He was telling him that he was applying throttle too early in the second from last bend so then allowing the following cars to get close to him down the straight. So basically telling him not to step the back out on that bend. I was watching the re-run so maybe they didnt play it on the live program.

[EwanM]

Alonso certianly showed Massa a thing or two, it was funny to hear Massa's engineeer telling him how to take the last few bends!

I didnt hear that part. What did they tell him? must have been funny

Alonso was much better than Massa. Massa held Fernando quite signifficantly. I guess its good for the sport and racing, but i guess it will all depend on how the championship keeps developping. I thought Fernando was going to pit when held off by Massa...... good thing he didnt hehe

He was telling him that he was applying throttle too early in the second from last bend so then allowing the following cars to get close to him down the straight. So basically telling him not to step the back out on that bend. I was watching the re-run so maybe they didnt play it on the live program.

Nah they showed it, I remember Martin Brundle laughing at it.

[Jensonb]

I am of the opinion that even though Button won, Hamilton had the better drive. He made so many heart stopping overtaking moves that we have come to expect from him in the past. He was justified when he said at the end he had driven one of his best races. Button had the luck with him today, he could so easily have gone off like he did and gone into a wall. He also wasnt at the wrong end of a bad McLaren strategic decision we have also come to know them for.
Its probably fair to say in the figthing mood Lewis was in that hadnt he been brought in for the tyre change, Button's mostly quiet run to the flag wouldnt have been so easy. And lets not forget Vettel being taken out by the Red Bull gremilns again .
I am just happy that the race was exciting compared to Bahrain and it has to be said most of that was down to Hamilton.

So we're ignoring Button's genius, ballsy move to put on the Dries first, and his supreme driving to not only keep them from going off, but to keep them out and out quick? It was just luck, was it?

A genius move that could have cost him the race on a less forgiving circuit, had he done that at Monaco his front suspension would have been off the car.
Was it also not luck for him that Vettel retired and Hamilton wasnt allowed to cruise up behind him as he was brought in. Lets not forget his front wheel was almost taken off at the first bend by Alonso. I think he had a lot of luck today.
Oh, and did Hamilton not overtake Button on the track as well in one of the many moves he made during the race?

Remind me, who won he race? Oh that's right, it was Button. And why was that again? Oh yeah, he was the first on the Dries. Whose idea was that? Oh that's right, his. Are you saying his win is less worthy because he made a smart gamble and it paid off? Are you also going to suggest that Schumacher did better than Alonso then?

Geez guys, can't we just live and let live?

That's my entire policy on teammate relations!

A kiss and a hug?

Ah well... Jenson did a better race than Lewis, but was not faster. Mclaren have a good pair of drivers. Lewis will probably come up with more pts to the end, but Jenson has some good strenghts that will keep him delivering. Specially since the MP is not that behind the others. Let's hope Lewis doesnt let the child out and make the relation difficult....

I've never felt it was right to cast ill will at your teammates, or in the case of supporters, at your driver's teammate, for no reason. I've always taken a respectful, pragmatic stance. You might have to beat the teammate first, but he's the closest a driver has to a friend out there.

[EagleF1-27]

I am of the opinion that even though Button won, Hamilton had the better drive. He made so many heart stopping overtaking moves that we have come to expect from him in the past. He was justified when he said at the end he had driven one of his best races. Button had the luck with him today, he could so easily have gone off like he did and gone into a wall. He also wasnt at the wrong end of a bad McLaren strategic decision we have also come to know them for.
Its probably fair to say in the figthing mood Lewis was in that hadnt he been brought in for the tyre change, Button's mostly quiet run to the flag wouldnt have been so easy. And lets not forget Vettel being taken out by the Red Bull gremilns again .
I am just happy that the race was exciting compared to Bahrain and it has to be said most of that was down to Hamilton.

So we're ignoring Button's genius, ballsy move to put on the Dries first, and his supreme driving to not only keep them from going off, but to keep them out and out quick? It was just luck, was it?

A genius move that could have cost him the race on a less forgiving circuit, had he done that at Monaco his front suspension would have been off the car.
Was it also not luck for him that Vettel retired and Hamilton wasnt allowed to cruise up behind him as he was brought in. Lets not forget his front wheel was almost taken off at the first bend by Alonso. I think he had a lot of luck today.
Oh, and did Hamilton not overtake Button on the track as well in one of the many moves he made during the race?

Remind me, who won he race? Oh that's right, it was Button. And why was that again? Oh yeah, he was the first on the Dries. Whose idea was that? Oh that's right, his. Are you saying his win is less worthy because he made a smart gamble and it paid off? Are you also going to suggest that Schumacher did better than Alonso then?

Geez guys, can't we just live and let live?

That's my entire policy on teammate relations!

A kiss and a hug?

Ah well... Jenson did a better race than Lewis, but was not faster. Mclaren have a good pair of drivers. Lewis will probably come up with more pts to the end, but Jenson has some good strenghts that will keep him delivering. Specially since the MP is not that behind the others. Let's hope Lewis doesnt let the child out and make the relation difficult....

I've never felt it was right to cast ill will at your teammates, or in the case of supporters, at your driver's teammate, for no reason. I've always taken a respectful, pragmatic stance. You might have to beat the teammate first, but he's the closest a driver has to a friend out there.

I can see with your username I am never going to win the argument, but all I have been saying is that Button had a lot of luck today. I countered your arguments but you seem to have moved on to another set of arguments!
To say Schumacher did better than Alonso is silly as he did nothing of note in this race. Hamilton was making most of the moves today.

[Jensonb]

I can see with your username I am never going to win the argument, but all I have been saying is that Button had a lot of luck today. I countered your arguments but you seem to have moved on to another set of arguments!
To say Schumacher did better than Alonso is silly as he did nothing of note in this race. Hamilton was making most of the moves today.

You're never going to win this argument because you're wrong. Lewis was also lucky. He was lucky to escape turn 1 unscathed, lucky to evade destruction at the hands of Webber (twice). He was lucky Kubica never got too defensive on him.

Guess what? Doesn't matter. Lewis still drove a great race. Great drives are those which take the luck and use it to get good results. Saying a driver was lucky as if it's a criticism is dunderheaded, all successful drivers are lucky. You can't achieve anything worth a damn without luck.

You're trying to say Button's run wasn't impressive just because Lewis pitted and Vettel went off. Button was faster than Lewis when the latter pitted. And we'll never know what would have happened with Vettel later, but Button was in touch with him. Vettel himself was lucky Button's tyres took a sector to warm after he switched, else Button would have been ahead of him after Seb's stop.

Fact is, Button assessed the conditions and the tyres and called for some dries, it won him the race. You stated:

A genius move that could have cost him the race on a less forgiving circuit, had he done that at Monaco his front suspension would have been off the car.

The question is...So what? He didn't do it at Monaco, he did it here and he was right. You're saying it was all luck because if he did it at another track it wouldn't work? The man's a world champion racing driver with finely-tuned senses for track conditions, he didn't randomly ask for dries because he figured "what the eff?". Jenson isn't frequently said to be The Prof (Prost) to Lewis's Senna for nothing.

[The Ram]

Wow, what a race!

The highlight was all the overtakes from Hamilton! Especially when he overtook my boy Jenson
Congratulations to Jenson.. He won after all. He made a very critical decision from the beginning of the race and it worked out I give him credit for that. Did he impress me otherwise? Not really.

The race was bittersweet. We Hamilton fans got to see the old "beast mode" Hamilton; The Boss fighting tooth and get to get into a good track position and just when it Hamilton was looking good for 2nd place (or even 1st, he was flying! who knows) Then the team just had to pit him! I guess they were getting too anxious. I mean they just gifted Ferrari the track position!



Then We Had Webbe..... I don't even want to get into that because that wouldn't have happened If Lewis' race engineer didn't call him in..

Sigh...

You know what.. I'm not even feeling bad that Hamilton Lost to Jenson because lets face it Jenson started in 4th position.. It's just that That race engineer (Latham?) GAVE AWAY A MCLAREN 1-2!! Jeese! I hope Malaysia is better..

[EagleF1-27]

I can see with your username I am never going to win the argument, but all I have been saying is that Button had a lot of luck today. I countered your arguments but you seem to have moved on to another set of arguments!
To say Schumacher did better than Alonso is silly as he did nothing of note in this race. Hamilton was making most of the moves today.

You're never going to win this argument because you're wrong. Lewis was also lucky. He was lucky to escape turn 1 unscathed, lucky to evade destruction at the hands of Webber (twice). He was lucky Kubica never got too defensive on him.

Guess what? Doesn't matter. Lewis still drove a great race. Great drives are those which take the luck and use it to get good results. Saying a driver was lucky as if it's a criticism is dunderheaded, all successful drivers are lucky. You can't achieve anything worth a damn without luck.

You're trying to say Button's run wasn't impressive just because Lewis pitted and Vettel went off. Button was faster than Lewis when the latter pitted. And we'll never know what would have happened with Vettel later, but Button was in touch with him. Vettel himself was lucky Button's tyres took a sector to warm after he switched, else Button would have been ahead of him after Seb's stop.

Fact is, Button assessed the conditions and the tyres and called for some dries, it won him the race. You stated:

A genius move that could have cost him the race on a less forgiving circuit, had he done that at Monaco his front suspension would have been off the car.

The question is...So what? He didn't do it at Monaco, he did it here and he was right. You're saying it was all luck because if he did it at another track it wouldn't work? The man's a world champion racing driver with finely-tuned senses for track conditions, he didn't randomly ask for dries because he figured "what the eff?". Jenson isn't frequently said to be The Prof (Prost) to Lewis's Senna for nothing.

You have made me laugh at least, Button is no Prost! When the car is working for him he is good, its when the car isnt just right he falls apart. Was it not Barrichello's settings he ended up using quite a few times last year? Cant say Prost did that when he was at McLaren with Senna.
I am only wrong in your opinion, and thats fair enough as we are all entitled to our opinions here, however yours is quite heavily biased towards Button as shown by your avatar and username. As you can see I am quite clearly not a Hamilton fanboy, even though I do admire his driving.
What I am trying to say is Button didnt have to do much other than make one right decision throughout the whole race for the win. He didnt for example have to overtake most of the field like Alonso did to finish where he was. Button was gifted the lead when Vettel retired, you cant deny that. And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

[Jensonb]

And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

It of course couldn't be the much more logical reason that when he was overtaken by Lewis it's because his rears had gone off, which he already noticed was starting to happen, and he needed a solution to that problem. Why couldn't it be that? Because some people on the internet said otherwise.

[antoniob]

And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

It of course couldn't be the much more logical reason that when he was overtaken by Lewis it's because his rears had gone off, which he already noticed was starting to happen, and he needed a solution to that problem. Why couldn't it be that? Because some people on the internet said otherwise.

Is that not a red bull in eaglef1's avatar ?? whats with the anti Jenson crap??.. he bored or something ??

[Jensonb]

And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

It of course couldn't be the much more logical reason that when he was overtaken by Lewis it's because his rears had gone off, which he already noticed was starting to happen, and he needed a solution to that problem. Why couldn't it be that? Because some people on the internet said otherwise.

Is that not a red bull in eaglef1's avatar ?? whats with the anti Jenson crap??.. he bored or something ??

No, it's not a Red Bull.

[EagleF1-27]

And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

It of course couldn't be the much more logical reason that when he was overtaken by Lewis it's because his rears had gone off, which he already noticed was starting to happen, and he needed a solution to that problem. Why couldn't it be that? Because some people on the internet said otherwise.

Oh so now this genius decision was actually dictated by his tyres going off then!! From the man who can keep his tyres working the longest, when in fact the Red Bulls reckon they could have gone longer on the intermediates. Seems like you are clutching at straws in your arguments now.

[EagleF1-27]

And he was overtaken by Hamilton, which others have said in other threads on here was probably what made him take the risk of changing to dry tyres early.

It of course couldn't be the much more logical reason that when he was overtaken by Lewis it's because his rears had gone off, which he already noticed was starting to happen, and he needed a solution to that problem. Why couldn't it be that? Because some people on the internet said otherwise.

Is that not a red bull in eaglef1's avatar ?? whats with the anti Jenson crap??.. he bored or something ??

No, it's not a Red Bull.

If you knew your history you would know its a Tyrrell.