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By LewEngBridewell
#272603
saw a quote where Brundle says he doesn't know his plans for next year yet. hope they can retain the commentary team and share between the channels, Brundle and DC are a perfect combination


I was a bit unsure after Melbourne, but I'm now of the opinion that MB and DC are a great combination. I love everything about the BBC's TV pundit team, especially now there are no James Allens or Steve Riders to cause irritation, as there was in the ITV days.... :)

Hope the lineup gets retained for next season.
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By elfinitty
#272606
Thats so annoying for you guys,you should tell it to some people in charge of that.In Turkey it is even worse.In 2008 when i started to follow a channel named NTV used to broadcast the races.During 2009-2011 another channel named TRT(the government's channel) broadcasted.Their contract is over by 2012 so a commentator in that channel said:''It is so expensive,i dont think any channel would like to broadcast the races.'' WTF?
By andrew
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Full reruns 3 hrs after the race on the red button while the highlight programme is on the main BBC chanel. Yep. I can live with that. Just have to keep off the computer till the reruns finnished.


Doesn't bother me which order I see things. As long as I see the race, I'm not fussed if I know the resulrt first.
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By LewEngBridewell
#272725
Full reruns 3 hrs after the race on the red button while the highlight programme is on the main BBC chanel. Yep. I can live with that. Just have to keep off the computer till the reruns finnished.


Doesn't bother me which order I see things. As long as I see the race, I'm not fussed if I know the resulrt first.


Oh for me, some the excitement has gone if I know what happens first. It has only happened once or twice to me, and it wasn't fun.

So, in light of the times that lie ahead, I will be staying OFF the internet until I can see a re-run, full-length or not. I would accept the latter, but I would much much much prefer the former.
By Bulletproof
#272773
This peice from AUTOSPORT, really does give me some confidence that there is someone out there who's fighting our corner, great Job Mr Don Foster!

BBC chiefs are to face questioning from MPs about the controversial move to share Formula 1 coverage with Sky from 2012, following a furious backlash from fans about the broadcast plans.

Ahead of a meeting of the Commons' Culture, Media and Sport select committee next month, where it is understood the subject of F1 will be discussed with seniors BBC figures, the corporation's director general Mark Thompson has now been asked by a senior MP to come clean about the background to the deal.

Don Foster MP, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for Culture, Media and Sport, has written to Thompson to seek answers about how the BBC/Sky contract came together - and especially if the BBC acted in the best interests of the fans.

In particular, Foster is concerned that there appear to be contradictory views about the background to what he thinks is a 'very poor' deal for F1 fans.

One version of the story is that the BBC brought Sky along in a bid to prevent coverage going to a rival terrestrial channel, while another version, suggested by BBC Sport's chief adviser and business manager Neil Land in a leaked document, was that it was Ecclestone who chose the Sky option.

In the letter to Thompson, which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Foster says he is worried that the new deal is not good for licence fee payers or those who follow F1 - and thinks the BBC owes an explanation to clear up the situation.

"I do not believe this result promotes the best interest of license fee payers and motor racing fans," he wrote in the letter. "I believe the best result would have been for the rights to remain with a free to air broadcaster, even if this was not the BBC."

He added: "In particular I am concerned about the apparently divergent views of FI and the BBC about the sequence of events and the desired outcome.

"Bernie Ecclestone made clear that, 'We want Formula One to stay free to viewers [...] That is 100%' (quoted in The Times, 20 June).

"He added, 'If they [Channel 4] had said they wanted to sign a contract today to start broadcasting for £45m a year, then we would have probably done it.' (quoted in The Mirror, 19 August).

"In fact, Bernie Ecclestone seems to claim that it was the BBC who forced Sky's involvement. The BBC apparently 'held all the cards' as there was still time left on the existing contract. He says that Sky were brought to the table by the BBC in the first place. He says the BBC 'got to grips with Sky themselves. I spoke with ITV too, and came up with the same problem as Channel 4 had. We had a contract with the BBC which didn't run out until 2014.' He has gone as far as saying, 'My hands were tied'.

"By his account, the rights ended up with Sky and the BBC because 'The BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract [...] It was not us who made that decision.'

"This is in marked contrast to the argument put forward by the BBC and Neil Land who said, 'Ultimately, it is the responsibility of FOM [Formula One Management] to decide which broadcasters cover the sport. FOM must decide what is in the best interests of the sport, its employees, manufacturers, sponsors and viewers - when choosing its broadcast partners. On this occasion, FOM decided that a broadcast partnership between the BBC and Sky was in the best interests of the sport.'

"This gulf between the two versions has led to disappointment and anger among fans and now they have to sift through completely contradictory accounts of who decided what. The least fans deserve is a clear explanation of what happened. I urge you to give it."

In the letter, Foster adds that he believes the fact the BBC is still showing half the races is of no real benefit to hardcore fans, because if they want to watch the entire season they will still need to pay a full subscription to Sky.

He wrote: "The BBC may broadcast half the races, but this means nothing to fans who want to watch the whole season live. They cannot buy half a Sky package. For them, all of the rights may as well have gone to BSkyB, as it will cost them exactly the same.

"But this would have violated the Concorde Agreement and the many public statements that FOM have made about the importance of free to air, meaning that the BBC have legitimised the otherwise indefensible situation of fans paying the full price for access to F1."

Foster also wrote to Ecclestone to discuss the matter.

Speaking about his motivation for writing the letter, Foster told AUTOSPORT: "I'm really deeply worried about the divergence of accounts being made, comparing what Bernie Ecclestone said and what Neil Lamp said. They are basically poles apart in what they are saying has happened.

"I also have to question whether it is a good deal for licence fee payers. They are getting half of what they got before, although the BBC argue at a third of the cost. But if you are an F1 fan and want to see all F1, you have no choice but to get the whole of Sky - so you are not benefitting at all. It is a very, very poor deal."

The BBC's decision to share coverage of F1 with Sky has prompted a wave of unhappiness from fans, who face being forced to pay out for a subscription to Sky if they want to continue watching the sport.

The BBC is hoping to show tape-delayed full reruns of races on the same day as the grands prix in a bid to appease fans who feel they have lost out in the deal.
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By racechick
#272806
What a great letter!! Someone has listened to us . So who is lying? BBC or Bernie? I know who Id put my money on. Thank you Mr. Don Foster and thanks for posting Bulletproof.
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By racechick
#272919
Well lets hope the enquiry results in a different outcome.
By andrew
#273000
The inquiry is just a procedural think tank, nothing more. The BBC is a publicly funded body so the Government is obliged to look into any controversial goings-on with public money, but it won't achieve anything except spend even more of the tax payers money.

However, the plot is thickening.

BBC stays mum over F1 plans

Ecclestone's statement that only 75 minutes of highlights will be shown also doesn't explain the full story.

'The 75mins, I am told, refers to the "minimum" amount of time which the BBC must show while the possibility - however unlikely it sounds - of some races being shown 'delayed live' on the BBC and others covered by highlights is still being mooted,' Cary adds.

'I'm told this would depend on the timing of each individual grand prix due to a "hold back" clause in the deal with Sky which means the BBC cannot broadcast any footage until a certain amount of time has elapsed after the race. For some races (Oz, Malaysia, China etc) that time would elapse around lunchtime in the UK when TV schedules might be able to accommodate a full re-run.'
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By FRAFPDD
#273006
This kind of thing is going to be the downfall of F1, the indecision and lying and sneaking.


You make a decision, you stick to it, people dont like it, you tell them tough.


Not flip flopping all over the place, ooooh we'll ban the blown diffusers, oh no we wont, oh we will for one race, then we wont.


Total crap. Are the BBC showing delayed races or not, im intrigued about this same commentary team part, will the BBC show the races with Sky sports logo's in the corner or what, or will the commentators broadcast from a sponsor/owner neutral studio.......

Its a shame Jake Humphrey is doing the Olympics cause that means he has to stay with the BBC and if Martin Eddie and David go to Sky it ruins the whole team.


You know what, f*ck you BBC, f*ck you for keeping antiques roadshow and not F1.
By andrew
#273009
Fraffy - wait till you start paying for your own TV Licence, it'll make you even angrier!

The BBC had louping ponies on at the weekend. There's a huge draw for the viewing figures! :hehe:
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By FRAFPDD
#273011
Fraffy - wait till you start paying for your own TV Licence, it'll make you even angrier!

The BBC had louping ponies on at the weekend. There's a huge draw for the viewing figures! :hehe:



Nah especially now its on Sky sports im going to go to the parents house every GP weekend
By Pandaman
#274339
Hi there, newbie on this forum and as a fellow Brit, I was extremely disappointed to hear that Sky was getting the coverage next year. I am a Sky subscriber to their 'basic' package but I will not be upgrading to sky sports. F1 is the only sport that I watch and I wont be forking out an extra £20pm to watch 2 hours every fortnight.

I have already bought a satellite kit and hope to tune into the german channel RTL to watch the non bbc race's.

I hear people saying how lucky we are to get F1 for free up to this point and in many countries, they have to pay to watch. I don't know the exact viewing figures but I would say Britain has a very high % of F1 viewers compared to most countries, even just casual veiwers. When I head into work on a monday after a race, most of the guys would chat F1 although they are not die-hard fans.

This deal would just mean the decline of F1 and reduced viewership. It would not be the same as Sky did for football as football is such a widespread sport and there are so many games in the weekend that a sky subscription looks like better value.

I only hope that enough people will boycott the sky broadcast and eventually Mr E will step down and we will have new leadership that will return F1 to the masses.
By 37Ls
#275308
Please vote (if you are living in Britain) whether or not you will be buying Sky Sports to view F1 in 2012:

http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/534598

Please try and share the link as much as possible, it's time sky realise they are wasting their money and will leave F1 alone!

Thank you in advance
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