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2008 
. I like Vettel but will not let it bias the blatant truth. As stated numerous times previously it really was just a racing incident but blame has to fall somewhere and this time it falls on him and not Webber.In all reality it was 100% Vettels fault he made contact with Webber not the other way around
2008 Hopefully the team and the drivers can put it behind them and focus on the task at hand winning the WDC.
come on mclaren 2008 I thought RBR was racing their F-duct this weekend or do you mean fully developed? During the prerace antics the RBR system was shown and discussed.
hole to Felipe Massa and beating him into the pits. 
I'm new to the forum...usually my first post is always a little bio of myself...but this is important
It was Vettel's fault. Plain and simple whether you love the guy or not. I really love the way team McLaren has been competing without wrecking each other out or getting into pointless scraps...like Alonso being a true
I really want to see Kubica and Petrov stay in the fight along with MS and Nico Rosberg.
The driver lineups are so competitive this year; therefore it is extremely crucial for drivers to be RESPECTFUL of their teammates.
That doesn't mean be a pushover and let your teammate get the better of you whenever he wants...but HURTING your teammate is the worst thing drivers can possibly do in such an incredibly talented field...the CONSTRUCTOR'S CHAMPIONSHIP is as important as ever and when drivers think about themselves and not the team...Everyone loses in the end!
I'm new to the forum...usually my first post is always a little bio of myself...but this is important
It was Vettel's fault. Plain and simple whether you love the guy or not. I really love the way team McLaren has been competing without wrecking each other out or getting into pointless scraps...like Alonso being a true
I really want to see Kubica and Petrov stay in the fight along with MS and Nico Rosberg.
The driver lineups are so competitive this year; therefore it is extremely crucial for drivers to be RESPECTFUL of their teammates.
That doesn't mean be a pushover and let your teammate get the better of you whenever he wants...but HURTING your teammate is the worst thing drivers can possibly do in such an incredibly talented field...the CONSTRUCTOR'S CHAMPIONSHIP is as important as ever and when drivers think about themselves and not the team...Everyone loses in the end!
Agreed, a team is about a lot more than the car they put on the track.
and welcome Diplomatic Immunity
.I'm new to the forum...usually my first post is always a little bio of myself...but this is important
I like your analysis, however, there is some contradiction in the events you stated.
- Both McL drivers were in fuel saving mode and only Webber from RB.
- This a problem since Webber/Vettel/Hamilton/Button were all close but only Webber/Hamilton/Button were told to conserve fuel. What about Vettel? How come he didn't need to save fuel if Button needed to do so yet he was behind Vettel?
- Also, nothing says that Button had to obey the order. It is up to the driver to decide what to do in such a situation. Kind of like when they are told to watch for their tires. It's the driver's choice to do what he thinks is best at the end. It's risky but if he's willing to take that risk that's his decision.
In my opinion, there were some team orders. Hamilton should not have been told that "both" drivers are in fuel saving mode. What is the need to tell Hamilton about that. Why didn't RB tell Vettel about Webber's fuel situation? I think Button was frustrated at the team and that's why he pulled that move on Hamilton. But unfortunately he had to give it up.
But what do I know, I talk nonsense
Why were only Webber, Button and Lewis on fuel save? Good question, you'll have to ask Horner, maybe a botched attempt to get Vettel past, it would account for the blame being laid at Webbers door
The reason to tell both mclaren drivers to save fuel is becuse it was probably a coded message to save tyres, fuel and brakes and not race to the end, otherwise both might not get to the end. No Button doesnt have to obey it , but its a foolish line to take. Either he got the meassge but still had a pop at Lewis or he didnt get it for some reason. Either way when Lewis saw him racin he raced back. Then they both had to fuel save.
Red Bull accepts Webber not to blame
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, June 1st 2010, 14:34 GMT
Christian HornerRed Bull Racing has conceded that it was wrong to pin the blame on Mark Webber for the clash with team-mate Sebastian Vettel in Turkey last weekend - with the team now believing their coming-together was simply an 'unnecessary' racing accident.
In a press release Q & A issued by the team on Tuesday to try and defuse the controversy surrounding the team, team principal Christian Horner cast further light on the events building up to the incident.
Having had two days to analyse the crash and the circumstances surrounding it, Horner said that all factions of the team - including Red Bull's motorsport advisor Helmut Marko - now believed both drivers should share the blame for what happened.
This stance is in contrast to comments made by Marko immediately after the race, where he wholly blamed Webber. That statement prompted furore from fans and the media, especially because it was Vettel who had turned right into Webber's car as he tried to overtake him.
"Ultimately we win as a team and we lose as a team and on Sunday we lost as a team, as a result of our two drivers having an incident," said Horner. "Having looked at all the information it's clear that it was a racing accident that shouldn't have happened between two team mates.
"After looking at all the facts that weren't available immediately after the race, Dr. Marko also fully shares this view."
Horner revealed that two laps prior to the incident, Webber had turned his engine down to try and conserve fuel - which cost him 0.18 seconds per lap.
"On lap 38 and 39, Sebastian's pace picked up and he closed right up to the back of Mark while under considerable pressure from Hamilton behind," explained Horner. "After a very strong run through Turn 9, Sebastian got a run and strong tow and moved to the left to pass Mark.
"Mark held the inside line and adopted a defensive position, which he is entitled to do. When Sebastian was three quarters of the way past, he moved to the right.
"As Sebastian moved to the right, Mark held his position and the ensuing result was contact that resulted in Sebastian retiring, Mark damaging the front-end of his car and the team losing a one two finish. Ultimately both drivers should have given each other more room."
Horner said that talks planned with the drivers would clear up several issues relating to the race - including Vettel's actions when he got out of the car where his gestures indicated he thought Webber had been 'mad' for causing the crash.
"The adrenaline was flowing and obviously there's a great deal of frustration when you've just crashed out of a race," said Horner. "It will be discussed and I am certain that the air will be cleared before Canada."
He added: "We're a very strong team and we will sit down and discuss this openly with the drivers in order to learn from what has happened and avoid a situation like this arising again. One of the strengths of Red Bull Racing is the team spirit here, which has contributed to the performance that we have achieved so far this season. The drivers are both intelligent individuals and this issue will be resolved prior to the Canadian Grand Prix."
Although the fallout from Red Bull's handling of the events has heightened suspicions among fans that Vettel is the team's preferred driver, Horner remained adamant that both drivers would continue as equals.
"Both drivers, as has always been the case, will continue to be given equal treatment," he said. "The Turkish Grand Prix has been a costly lesson for both drivers and we are confident that this situation won't happen again."
When asked for Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz's thoughts on the matter, he said: "Dietrich has spoken with both drivers following the incident. He has always supported both drivers equally and summed it up by saying, 'S*** happens...' we shouldn't talk about the past, but concentrate on the future. The fact is that we not only have the fastest car, but also two of the best and fastest drivers".
Such has been the level of criticism aimed at the team that Horner has also written an open letter to fans on Red Bull Racing's website forum explaining the outfit's situations.
"We now have to re-group," he said. "We are a strong team and we'll sit down and discuss what we can learn from this incident. We have immense team spirit here at Red Bull Racing, both Sebastian and Mark are intelligent individuals and we will have the situation resolved before we go to Montreal.
"And finally as I have always pledged, both drivers, will continue to be given equal treatment. The Turkish Grand Prix has been a costly lesson for both drivers and we are confident that this situation won't happen again.
"We still have a long way to go this year until Abu Dhabi and whichever Red Bull Racing driver you're behind in the fight for the world championship, I hope we - and they - can count on your support."
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