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#359120
Thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust... pull out, replace condom with a new one, back in, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, pull out, replace condom with a new one... repeat as necessary until you arrive.


on second though, just give me a BJ.
By Hammer278
#359121
Thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust... pull out, replace condom with a new one, back in, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, pull out, replace condom with a new one... repeat as necessary until you arrive.


on second though, just give me a BJ.


...and thanks to our amazing quality control, your better half better be ready to swal...
#359460
ESPNF1; Sebastian Vettel says Red Bull has not been the only team complaining about the current tyre situation.

Red Bull has been vocal in its criticism of the Pirelli tyres and Ferrari was clear in pointing the finger at Red Bull's complaints following Pirelli's announcement that it wishes to make changes to the tyre compounds. Vettel, however, says it's just a perception that Red Bull is the only team complaining because it's the highest profile team.

"I think that's because you guys have the alternative and quoting Red Bull or quoting Marussia you would rather quote Red Bull," Vettel said. "So in the media it looks as if Red Bull is complaining - or we are complaining - but generally I hear the drivers' voice in the meetings that we have together, the driver's briefings and when I chat to other drivers, and even if you pinpoint Lotus and say they have the best car for these kind of tyres and these conditions and still their drivers complain; they have the same problem as us just to a lesser extent. That doesn't mean no-one else is complaining."

Vettel also said that he feels Pirelli has to make changes to the current tyres even if it is only based on safety grounds.

"Obviously it's not our decision but on safety grounds as well we've seen it on a couple of occasions this year. I don't want to talk bad about people but they've got to do a better job. On safety grounds we saw that people suffered the tyre, the surface, the tread delaminating - blowing up - and fortunately nothing happened but it's not because drivers drove over debris it's because the tyres aren't good enough and that can't be safe.

"We've got a lot of marbles, which to some extent can be dangerous, so I think there's certain things we need to be careful with because the last thing we need is a big off. Imagine here, at the end of the straight, down to the chicane [the Nouvelle Chicane], you have a tyre coming off - I think it's something that none of us want to see."


:rolleyes:This guy... Pirelli made the tire they were told to make. (that's a tongue in cheek comment)
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By racechick
#359469
Well on this one I'm right with Vettel! Ferari are now coming out saying they don't want a change, that's because they manage the tyres reasonably well and better than many, it's not because they like it. They know its poo. Alonso himself said it's gone too far , and that's after winning the last race he said it.

And I think I know why this tyre is worse than Pirelli expected and worse than the FIA asked for. It's because they changed that inner loop to metal from ( was it Kevlar? ) the rubber bit isn't sticking to it. AND it's overheating and ruining the tyres. You'd think tyre people would know that metal gets hotter than kevlar and this might happen :rolleyes:

So for Pirelli to keep saying they've only made what was asked for isn't quite true. They weren't asked to produce a tyre where the rubber shreds from the inner bit. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that would delaminate and damage cars ruining their race weekend. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that resulted in 4 pitstops a race, they were asked for one that produced 2 or 3. They weren't asked to produce a tyre which caused cars to run at 5 sec a lap of the pace and slower than GP2 and they weren't asked to produce a tyre that can't be driven flat out for ONE SINGLE quali lap. So Pirelli have epically failed.

Ok maybe some of those things are a by product of trying to produce the tyre the FIA asked for. But this is an experienced tyre company. They had no idea this would happen? That really isn't an excuse!
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By 1Lemon
#359487
So for Pirelli to keep saying they've only made what was asked for isn't quite true. They weren't asked to produce a tyre where the rubber shreds from the inner bit. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that would delaminate and damage cars ruining their race weekend. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that resulted in 4 pitstops a race, they were asked for one that produced 2 or 3. They weren't asked to produce a tyre which caused cars to run at 5 sec a lap of the pace and slower than GP2 and they weren't asked to produce a tyre that can't be driven flat out for ONE SINGLE quali lap. So Pirelli have epically failed.

Ok maybe some of those things are a by product of trying to produce the tyre the FIA asked for. But this is an experienced tyre company. They had no idea this would happen? That really isn't an excuse!


That's exactly what they were asked, the rest is true though, they've gone far too far.
By Hammer278
#359488
So for Pirelli to keep saying they've only made what was asked for isn't quite true. They weren't asked to produce a tyre where the rubber shreds from the inner bit. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that would delaminate and damage cars ruining their race weekend. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that resulted in 4 pitstops a race, they were asked for one that produced 2 or 3. They weren't asked to produce a tyre which caused cars to run at 5 sec a lap of the pace and slower than GP2 and they weren't asked to produce a tyre that can't be driven flat out for ONE SINGLE quali lap. So Pirelli have epically failed.

Ok maybe some of those things are a by product of trying to produce the tyre the FIA asked for. But this is an experienced tyre company. They had no idea this would happen? That really isn't an excuse!


That's exactly what they were asked, the rest is true though, they've gone far too far.


Ecclestone said he wanted Pirelli to construct a tyre which doesn't last 50% race distance, or expected 2-3 pitstops per race. Never were they asked for shitty decomposing tyres which needed 4 stops.
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By 1Lemon
#359490
So for Pirelli to keep saying they've only made what was asked for isn't quite true. They weren't asked to produce a tyre where the rubber shreds from the inner bit. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that would delaminate and damage cars ruining their race weekend. They weren't asked to produce a tyre that resulted in 4 pitstops a race, they were asked for one that produced 2 or 3. They weren't asked to produce a tyre which caused cars to run at 5 sec a lap of the pace and slower than GP2 and they weren't asked to produce a tyre that can't be driven flat out for ONE SINGLE quali lap. So Pirelli have epically failed.

Ok maybe some of those things are a by product of trying to produce the tyre the FIA asked for. But this is an experienced tyre company. They had no idea this would happen? That really isn't an excuse!


That's exactly what they were asked, the rest is true though, they've gone far too far.


Ecclestone said he wanted Pirelli to construct a tyre which doesn't last 50% race distance, or expected 2-3 pitstops per race. Never were they asked for shitty decomposing tyres which needed 4 stops.


FIA asked Pirelli to create a tyre that would recreate the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix. Ridiculous de-lamination is not the way to do this though.

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By spankyham
#359491
I'm surprised how people in 2013 are suddenly so offended by 4 stop races.

I also think the team with the most to gain in keeping these tires and keeping 4 stop strategy races is Mercedes.
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By 1Lemon
#359493
I'm surprised how people in 2013 are suddenly so offended by 4 stop races.

I also think the team with the most to gain in keeping these tires and keeping 4 stop strategy races is Mercedes.


Because it's worked so well for them in the past? Look, yes their tyre wear is atrocious, so logically more pitstops = faster race as they can have more tyres negating the bad tyre wear.

But their tyre management is so SO bad they just can't get an advantage, being hardly able to do a single lap flat out is not an advantage. They would need a 10 stop race before they start to gain an advantage in lap times; although they wouldn't gain an advantage in track position.
By Hammer278
#359495
Let's not forget their tyre management was actually not a cause for concern until Bahrain. In Bahrain even, only 1 car suffered badly, in Spain it was both. However, prior to these races Merc just did not have race pace but they managed their tyres, sort of. Very strange situation, I can't imagine a car evolving so quickly to influence that bad on the tyres...was it simply the heat in Spain and Bahrain? Still, affecting Mercedes that badly and none others, mystery mystery.
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By racechick
#359496
I'm not against four stops in a race. But four stops by choice, to work a strategy, not four stops by necessity because your tyres have fallen off.
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By spankyham
#359497
I'm surprised how people in 2013 are suddenly so offended by 4 stop races.

I also think the team with the most to gain in keeping these tires and keeping 4 stop strategy races is Mercedes.


Because it's worked so well for them in the past? Look, yes their tyre wear is atrocious, so logically more pitstops = faster race as they can have more tyres negating the bad tyre wear.

But their tyre management is so SO bad they just can't get an advantage, being hardly able to do a single lap flat out is not an advantage. They would need a 10 stop race before they start to gain an advantage in lap times; although they wouldn't gain an advantage in track position.


Yes and yes. Their tire management has been pretty poor is some races and just poor in others.

On the other hand, with four stops, if Merc can find 2 more laps per stint of reasonable performance they are right at the pointy end for every race. Finding 2 laps is not as big a task as finding 5 or 6, and is manageable for Merc with their resources.

Have you noticed how, of late, Merc has been distancing themselves from the tire argument? Perhaps Ross and the boys have something up their tire warmers we are yet to see. It would be so ironic if Merc did find those couple of laps extra per set and then Pirelli changed the tires.

You may have noticed that of recent times, Merc has been distancing themselves from calls for radical changes to the tires.
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By 1Lemon
#359498
I'm surprised how people in 2013 are suddenly so offended by 4 stop races.

I also think the team with the most to gain in keeping these tires and keeping 4 stop strategy races is Mercedes.


Because it's worked so well for them in the past? Look, yes their tyre wear is atrocious, so logically more pitstops = faster race as they can have more tyres negating the bad tyre wear.

But their tyre management is so SO bad they just can't get an advantage, being hardly able to do a single lap flat out is not an advantage. They would need a 10 stop race before they start to gain an advantage in lap times; although they wouldn't gain an advantage in track position.


Yes and yes. Their tire management has been pretty poor is some races and just poor in others.

On the other hand, with four stops, if Merc can find 2 more laps per stint of reasonable performance they are right at the pointy end for every race. Finding 2 laps is not as big a task as finding 5 or 6, and is manageable for Merc with their resources.

Have you noticed how, of late, Merc has been distancing themselves from the tire argument? Perhaps Ross and the boys have something up their tire warmers we are yet to see. It would be so ironic if Merc did find those couple of laps extra per set and then Pirelli changed the tires.

You may have noticed that of recent times, Merc has been distancing themselves from calls for radical changes to the tires.


I very much doubt this, and they'll need to find more that 2-3 laps worth of wear, they hardly managed one lap in Barcelona. I very much doubt they've got something up their sleeves, otherwise they would have deployed it already; no way would they sit there going backwards and not try to create anything, but at the same time if they had something that could substantially help they wouldn't not use it.
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By racechick
#359508
I had noticed Merc keeping out of the debate. I wondered if they were just letting Re Bull do the talking for them.
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