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[andrew]

20 SECOND PENALTY FOR SEB

joke! Draconian penalty.

Hopefully EwanM is wrong in what he's told you.

Don't agree at all that it's draconian. He will have known full well that he completed the overtake off track. He was clearly faster as he finished a good bit ahead of Button. He could (and should) have given the place back immediately, and still likely would have been able to make a fair pass on either the same or next lap, then taken the second place fairly with no controversy. As such, a drive through is a fair and indeed completely apt punishment.

This is what I wrote in the Pool thread in response to Andrew, it was a premeditated move, Vettel was completely aware of what he was doing!

Yeah 20 seconds is fair. He should have rammed Button off the track and nothing would have happened!

[LewEngBridewell]

20 SECOND PENALTY FOR SEB

joke! Draconian penalty.

Hopefully EwanM is wrong in what he's told you.

Don't agree at all that it's draconian. He will have known full well that he completed the overtake off track. He was clearly faster as he finished a good bit ahead of Button. He could (and should) have given the place back immediately, and still likely would have been able to make a fair pass on either the same or next lap, then taken the second place fairly with no controversy. As such, a drive through is a fair and indeed completely apt punishment.

This is what I wrote in the Pool thread in response to Andrew, it was a premeditated move, Vettel was completely aware of what he was doing!

No argument with regards to this one, really.

[Hammer278]

All this leaves a clear passage for Alonso's 3rd WDC though.

[Ferrari man 009]

At least the stewards worded the rule about passing off the track properly

[LewEngBridewell]

All this leaves a clear passage for Alonso's 3rd WDC though.

You never know. Maybe Alonso will run over debris in Budapest.

[andrew]

Don't worry, Ferrari will revert to being Ferrari again shortly and start making mistakes.

[zurich_allan]

All this leaves a clear passage for Alonso's 3rd WDC though.

And one that on the merits of the season to date he would thoroughly deserve given where Ferrari were for the first couple of races and how well and consistently he's performed.

[Darriele]

Nothing official yet, discard all the gossips and wishful thinking found on sites like BBC/etc. If it's not on Formula1.com then it might no be true. And Vettel's penalty isn't yet announced on formula1.com (hell, no news regarding this in the past half hour).

[Hammer278]

All this leaves a clear passage for Alonso's 3rd WDC though.

And one that on the merits of the season to date he would thoroughly deserve given where Ferrari were for the first couple of races and how well and consistently he's performed.

No arguments against his performance, but these WDCs he wins in Ferrari will be the same worth as Schumacher's lap dog WDCs..no intra team pressure, undisputed no.1 status while the other top teams have teammates going at each other as well as everyone else.

[Hammer278]

Nothing official yet, discard all the gossips and wishful thinking found on sites like BBC/etc. If it's not on Formula1.com then it might no be true. And Vettel's penalty isn't yet announced on formula1.com (hell, no news regarding this in the past half hour).

[Lightning Count]

How long till the FIA confirms or denies the 20 second penalty?

Hoping not long.

[scotty]

WTF? It's there, on the FIA official statement. What more proof is needed, and why is there even a debate?!?!?!? *facepalm*

[Darriele]

Nothing official yet, discard all the gossips and wishful thinking found on sites like BBC/etc. If it's not on Formula1.com then it might no be true. And Vettel's penalty isn't yet announced on formula1.com (hell, no news regarding this in the past half hour).

You again ?!, dude, seriously I expect something more intelligent than that (a link should suffice)

[zurich_allan]

WTF? It's there, on the FIA official statement. What more proof is needed, and why is there even a debate?!?!?!? *facepalm*

It's either trolling, gross stupidity, or clinging to a completely futile hope...

[andrew]

WTF? It's there, on the FIA official statement. What more proof is needed, and why is there even a debate?!?!?!? *facepalm*

It's either trolling, gross stupidity, or clinging to a completely futile hope...

To be fair, it's not on the F1A's site and it wouldn't be difficult to knock-up a "statement".

Eitehrway, I couldn't really care.