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[What's Burning?]

Some jerks were saying that McLaren were deliberately screwing Hamilton last year... this is a similar sort of thing. It's all

According to Whitmash their car was not so good last year, it was Hamilton flattering the car. This year it's being driven to its potential.

Last year Lewis scored 4 wins to Jenson's 3. It's not just Lewis' exit that's changed, believe me....

Last year Lewis DNF'd out or was set back out of half the points that Jenson got. Sometimes a driver is clearly head and shoulders better than his team mate. If Webber and Vettel haven't fully illustrated that to you, then you're not paying attention.

Thanks.

Before patronising me in this odious manner you sometimes adopt, can I prevent an unnecessary and tedious trip down this EXCEEDINGLY eroded thoroughfare? I know Lewis retired from this race and that race, and all those points were lost, and he was often faster than Jenson, etc, etc, etc blah blah blah and all that

I know.

However, I said it is NOT just Lewis' exit that has cemented McLaren's fortunes this year. It was clearly not ALL Lewis in 2012, because Jenson scored wins too. So the suggestion that McLaren plummeted because Lewis left is ludicrous, no matter how wonderful he is.

I'm sorry, and that's an apology since you were obviously upset. My comment was about the way the team is being run by the leadership. Not about Lewis Hamilton. It was a response to all the crap being spewed by McLaren about their search for greatness and that greatness including greatness of their drivers. Which is a pretty dammed laughable statement to make when you run a team that let one of the top three drivers in the sport walk away.

It's a red bull thread so I wanted to speak about something I thought about when they hired Ricciardo instead of Raikonnen. It says they're pretty damed confident in the package they're bringing to the table for 2014. A confidence perhaps not shared by Ferrari which is why they were looking to improve their drivers.

[What's Burning?]

Sounds an awful lot like our wings meet all regulations and are thoroughly tested and passed scrutineering. So is the truth closer to what Vettel said or what Horner is saying?

ESPNF1 Red Bull team principal Christian Horner believes his team would be "pretty stupid" to try to run traction control under the current regulations, after speculation following the Singapore Grand Prix that Sebastian Vettel's victory was linked to some sort of illegal electronic system.

The rumours gathered pace when ex-team boss Giancarlo Minardi raised questions about the Red Bull after listening to it from the side of the circuit. Traction control has been illegal under the regulations since 2008 and in order to ban it all the teams must run identical ECUs supplied by McLaren and moderated by the FIA.

Horner said it would be obvious if a team had tampered with the ECU to gain an advantage.

"You'd be fairly stupid to introduce traction control onto a car that is governed by a single ECU that is granted by a tender of the FIA and that is scrupulously checked by the FIA," he said. "I can't imagine any team in the pit lane would even entertain it.

"The electronic controls on the car are so tightly governed because it's a controlled box we have. The settings in both the [Red Bull] cars are absolutely identical and they fully comply with the FIA rules. The FIA should be able to verify that and it's a standard unit that all the teams are using. Any suggestion of traction control is either purely mischievous or wishful thinking."

Another possibility is that engine supplier Renault offers an advanced engine map that aids traction by cutting cylinders to smooth out the car's torque curve. But Horner believes all the engine manufacturers wield a similar level of technology and none are in breach of the regulations.

"That's also very restricted, on what you can do in terms of torque maps and torque curves," he said. "But that's also something that all the engine manufacturers are doing within the parameters they are allowed. These engines are so optimised and so far into their life cycles that all the engine manufacturers are pretty close, to be honest. I don't think one has an advantage over the others. You could argue the same about Ferrari's starts, but the bottom line is they obviously get it all together and everything right at that point. You don't hear any accusations of traction control."

Horner said Vettel's dominance in Singapore was purely down to car and driver getting it right on the day.

"Sebastian's performance in Singapore was so dominant, it inevitably raises questions about how that's possible," he added. "But other teams will be looking inwardly and the easiest conclusion to come to is 'they must be cheating'.

"These things are so tightly controlled that it would be impossible and the facts are he drove an incredible race, he had incredible pace and maximised the most out of the car. He was a driver on absolute peak form. Is it a distraction? No. Will we lose any sleep over it? Absolutely not."

[Jabberwocky]

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[What's Burning?]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

[1Lemon]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

To be honest I don't think money is a thing Red Bull are concerned about....

FI maybe, Sauber probably not, last year they got a lot of air time.

[Hammer278]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

[1Lemon]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

So did Merc when they were going backwards in the race

[What's Burning?]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

So did Merc when they were going backwards in the race

You may try and try, but there's no way to slice and dice this to reflect anything other than Merc has been a pretty darned good success story this year. The first year Lewis Hamilton joins the team.

[LewEngBridewell]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

Button and Perez took most of the coverage back in Bahrain

[Hammer278]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

So did Merc when they were going backwards in the race

Lol okay mate....Spain is a nice story for Merc haters, but that's the only place the story will stay.

[1Lemon]

With the television profits being split by the teams based on camera time given to the cars, I wonder if Red Bull's take will be shortened given the fact that so little actual camera time is given to Vettel every time he runs away with it.

Mercedes is up, Ferrari is a constant with Alonso, but this year we've seen FI and now more so Sauber share the mid field success so they're bound to be up as well.

McLaren have been getting a lot of airtime somehow, since they're being overtaken most of the time.

So did Merc when they were going backwards in the race

Lol okay mate....Spain is a nice story for Merc haters, but that's the only place the story will stay.

For the Merc haters Korea was a pretty nice story too on paper, and it showed that they can't even screw on a nose cone

[Hammer278]

Misinformed Merc haters don't realize the wing had a structural failure and it wasn't about being screwed on properly or not.

Plus, it was probably the most interesting part of the GP along with the new 'safety car'.

[1Lemon]

Shoddy workmenship then

[LRW]

Shoddy workmenship then

So what your saying is, shoddy workmanship of Merc is still 21s quicker than Williams non-shoddy workmanship...?

[LewEngBridewell]

Shoddy workmenship then

So what your saying is, shoddy workmanship of Merc is still 21s quicker than Williams non-shoddy workmanship...?

Awww leave Williams alone! Everyone loves Williams!