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#201407
Something smells fishy too me :yes: .


How so?


I think they gave Lewis that message because he (Lewis) wouldn't have slowed down otherwise. Also Mcl prob didn't feel Jenson was being so cool headed and waiting for his time to push hehe
#201408
It just seems funny that McLaren claims that Button did not recieve the message until three laps later and once he takes the fight to Lewis they give him the save fuel message. It may be nothing at all but it just does not set right with me.


http://www.planetf1.com/news/10635/6182 ... air-battle

Not sure what you're saying Tex. It was a miscommunication nothing more. Why would they want to favour either driver?

The second bit of the article is funny-where lewis and Button nearly came to blows :hehe: Just another miscommunication.

Its just the whole timing that makes it odd but oh well the race is over.
#201409
Well yes. I think the timing was the cause of the problem. But like you say, there was no disaster and the race was good.
#201411
On the McLaren thing. It seems there was a mix up with instructions (BBC website). Lewis was told both cars were going to fuel save-we all heard that broadcast, but Jens didnt get his message till 3 laps later. So Jens didnt know why Lewis was slowing and took his opportunity and Lewis didnt know that Jens had not had the message.

Mclaren wont have done this to get Button past Lewis- no point, it sounds like just a mix up and luckily no disaster ensued because the drivers showed each other respect ...unlike Vettel.


I'll say it again, According to Jenson during an interview he on the BBC F1 Forum he was told to watch his fuel as early as 20 laps into the race and AFAIK a long time before Lewis got told to do the same. It seems they are contradicting themselfs a bit on this one.
#201414
On the McLaren thing. It seems there was a mix up with instructions (BBC website). Lewis was told both cars were going to fuel save-we all heard that broadcast, but Jens didnt get his message till 3 laps later. So Jens didnt know why Lewis was slowing and took his opportunity and Lewis didnt know that Jens had not had the message.

Mclaren wont have done this to get Button past Lewis- no point, it sounds like just a mix up and luckily no disaster ensued because the drivers showed each other respect ...unlike Vettel.


I'll say it again, According to Jenson during an interview he on the BBC F1 Forum he was told to watch his fuel as early as 20 laps into the race and AFAIK a long time before Lewis got told to do the same. It seems they are contradicting themselfs a bit on this one.


Yes I saw that. maybe that was a general watch your fuel its tight but near the end it was getting critical and a more urgent call. Like right now or you wont finnish.
#201422
So on this whole save fuel thing, I didn't know that Turkey was that bad a track on fuel to begin with. Why did it get so critical for McLaren in the first place? It seems like they were the team most concerned with fuel based on the radio messages released.

Is it possible they chose to put in a little less fuel in order to be that much more competitive against RB? Or is it that the tanks were maxed and it's exposing a limitation in their car's design a la VR with a too small a fuel tank?
#201425
So on this whole save fuel thing, I didn't know that Turkey was that bad a track on fuel to begin with. Why did it get so critical for McLaren in the first place? It seems like they were the team most concerned with fuel based on the radio messages released.

Is it possible they chose to put in a little less fuel in order to be that much more competitive against RB? Or is it that the tanks were maxed and it's exposing a limitation in their car's design a la VR with a too small a fuel tank?


i think all teams would always live on the edge when it comes to fuelling the cars to last for races.
#201430
The sad thing is this race will be remembered for the Webber/Vettel crash and the ensuing political fallout. When it should be remembered for some of the best racing we have seen in a few seasons (in the dry). Seems that Tilke got it right with this track; shame the promotion and ticket prices don't allow for ordinary Turks to attend the GP.


I wouldn't go that far, to be honest. The only interesting moments in the race were the pitstops, an over-arrogant rookie taking himself out and costing his team mate the win, and a pair of team mates in identical cars swapping places for a few corners. And most of that was caused by the teams telling the drivers to turn their engines up and down!!

None of this adds up to "some of the best racing we have seen in a few seasons" nor provides proof that "Tilke got it right with this track".

Compared to other modern race tracks; even traditional tracks have very little overtaking without adverse weather conditions interfering. And we rarely see team mates going wheel to wheel these days; general team mates are not allowed to race each other for fear of taking each other off. That to me is not what F1 racing is about; when I started watching F1 back in 1991; almost every race there were team mates going at it hammer and tongs. There was actually a fair bit of overtaking in Turkey; may not be in the front running teams but there was a fair bit of movement in the midfield and backmarkers, we of course the race director missed completely; they were too fixed on the procession at the front.
#201441
I've watched three different camera shots of the crash (front, rear, and Webber's in-car) in slo-mo and it's clear that Webber made no move toward Vettel. Webber turned his head once to the left, probably to check his mirror, just before Vettel's car appeared in left of frame so he likely knew exactly where Vettel was (and that he was coming fast). Webber kept his steering wheel dead straight except for a couple of slight corrections to the right and one last larger correction to the right -- which still was quite small -- just before the impact.

From the head-on camera, it is clear that it was Vettel who turned into Webber, despite Vettel's protestations to the contrary, and with plenty of tarmac still to his left.

So it largely comes to whether one blames Vettel for making an aggressive racing move or whether one blames Webber for refusing to give way to a clearly faster teammate (which seems to be RBR's take).

I blame the rubbish "no team orders" rule.


The press are largely ignoring that Jens and Hambone did something equally stupid but managed not to knock each other out of the race.
#201448
Was away for the weekend and was only just able to watch the race.What a result that was to see the McLarens so close to the red bulls was a pleasing surprise.Who knows Canada might even suit the McLarens more.

As for the red bull crash the blame has to be Vettels for sure.I could understand Lewis being upset at Button trying to pass as I would of thought that save fuel would mean take it easy and get both cars to the finish.That said they're racing drivers and should always be on their guard.

A great 1-2 and the lead in the constructers is great :hehe: .Schumi starting to be on the pace now.Mercedes seem to of bypassed Ferrari for third best team.
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