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[stonemonkey]

Yep, the FIA have got to get their act together and decide one way or another, none of this 'potentially illegal' crap. If the FIA can't decide what's legal or not in their own sport how's anyone else supposed to know?

[racechick]

It's amazing they get away with it. In what other sport would they say...if you break the rules you'll get punished, you could get banned, but we can't actually tell you what the rules are, we're not sure.

[Hammer278]

Schmdit said he expects Red Bull will also remove 'Fric' - standing for 'front and rear inter-connected' - from its title-chasing car for Hockenheim.

[1Lemon]

The testing at Silverstone yesterday, Hamilton only did a few slow laps, spun once and had a whole lot of engineers swarm around his car after every lap, the consensus is they were trying without the FRIC system.

[1Lemon]

I'm not overly worried about this now I've read a bit more. Merc have the best one, Red Bull the next best. FI don't run one and McLaren and Ferrari have one that's not so good. I don't know about Williams.its worth about .3 or .4 a lap (so not a big worry to Mercedes) and it is less effective on high speed power tracks , more effective on twisty ones.
I think that's what I've garnered. Don't shoot me if I've got it wrong.

I still think though that the FIA go about their business appallingly badly.

Edit: a bit more here.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... hockenheim

Williams did what Merc probably did and removed it from yesterdays car. Bottas said he noticed very little difference but that it'll probably affect others more than them.

[Hammer278]

So based on your two posts above, we're expecting Williams to kill the field come Germany right?

Can you put that in your sig. In bold/underlined.

[1Lemon]

So based on your two posts above, we're expecting Williams to kill the field come Germany right?

Can you put that in your sig. In bold/underlined.

I said that if they ban FRIC red bull and Mercedes with the advanced FRICing systems have more pace to naturally loose that Williams with their less integral system.

[Nin-Chin]

Lauda said Merc wouldn't lose much by removing the FRIC system.

[1Lemon]

And Chilton said his car was easier to drive without it. Why are we using these systems if nobody makes up any time with them.

[stonemonkey]

And Chilton said his car was easier to drive without it. Why are we using these systems if nobody makes up any time with them.

Easier to drive and not losing much don't mean there's no time made up from it, it's reckoned it could be up to 3 or 4 tenths. Then there's tyre wear, less nursing of the tyres.

[RyRy]

So based on your two posts above, we're expecting Williams to kill the field come Germany right?

Can you put that in your sig. In bold/underlined.

I said that if they ban FRIC red bull and Mercedes with the advanced FRICing systems have more pace to naturally loose that Williams with their less integral system.

Lotus, Marussia and Caterham will be effected just as much. Lotus apparently have the second best system by a lot of sources and Marussia have a well developed system too. The reason it might hurt Caterham is because of the design around the front suspension.

Williams will be closer to Mercedes but I'm pretty confident they're still out of reach

Lauda said Merc wouldn't lose much by removing the FRIC system.

It's all PR, they won't admit how much they'll lose even if they were going to lose ten seconds they'd still say that they would lose much.

And Chilton said his car was easier to drive without it. Why are we using these systems if nobody makes up any time with them.

The reason Chilton said it was easier is because he's more of a fighter in the car just like Hamilton and Alonso and easier does not mean faster.

And Chilton said his car was easier to drive without it. Why are we using these systems if nobody makes up any time with them.

Easier to drive and not losing much don't mean there's no time made up from it, it's reckoned it could be up to 3 or 4 tenths. Then there's tyre wear, less nursing of the tyres.

3-5 tenths I read and then they're got to include differences in how they can take curbs, how low the car runs and more tyre wear. We could see the tyres swing to red bull and saubers way.

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[1Lemon]

A bit off topic but does a easier car to drive end up being faster or as fast as a naturally faster but harder to drive car as the driver might be in a better state of mind?

[CookinFlat6]

An easier car to drive is likely to give the driver more confidence to push to its limits which should outweigh the advantages of the driver himself being on the edge

put it this way, what makes a car easier or harder to drive is its 'willingness' to let the driver do exactly what he wants without springing surprises.

Which is also why, IMP, the gulf between the best drivers and others is more marked in hard to drive cars

[1Lemon]

Yeah exactly, like Alonso in that piece of sh*t Ferrari.

[What's Burning?]

Since the beginning of the year I've said more driver less car, and this is (if not approved) going to nudge things farther int hat direction.