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[CookinFlat6]

If you are trying to prove your mastery of the Mea Culpa triangle you are doing a very good job, but we are already convinced

Thats 2 Mea Culpas in 2 posts by you, to become the star on here you would need 2 within the same post contradicting yourself.

I just said Ferrari forced a delay of a year and a change from 4 litre to 6 litre and you point out that Ferrari wanted a 6 litre instead of a 4 litre????

And I think you are wrong re the 4 litre engines vs 6 litre engines mentioned in your post. Ferrari suggested a 6 cylinder vs the 4.

Ferrari forced an extra year and a change from Renaults demanded 4 litre to a 6 litre.

We are not in the Fantasy lounge where things dont have to make sense as long as they are a putdown and a whip smiley is added

[overboost]

If you are trying to prove your mastery of the Mea Culpa triangle you are doing a very good job, but we are already convinced

Thats 2 Mea Culpas in 2 posts by you, to become the star on here you would need 2 within the same post contradicting yourself.

I just said Ferrari forced a delay of a year and a change from 4 litre to 6 litre and you point out that Ferrari wanted a 6 litre instead of a 4 litre????

And I think you are wrong re the 4 litre engines vs 6 litre engines mentioned in your post. Ferrari suggested a 6 cylinder vs the 4.

Ferrari forced an extra year and a change from Renaults demanded 4 litre to a 6 litre.

We are not in the Fantasy lounge where things dont have to make sense as long as they are a putdown and a whip smiley is added

I think you are suffering from a comprehension failure! The engines used in F1 are 1.6 litre, 6 cylinder, turbos. I think that the biggest engine ever in F1 was a 4.5 litre unit used way back in the 1950's. Love to see that Ferrari 6 litre you mention though!

ps. The bolded above means the same thing just worded differently.But I said cylinders.
ps. No mia cuplas? or putdowns either, just a simple correction.

[CookinFlat6]

Its obvious to anyone with a pulse that I meant cylinders and not litres, however I retract your second Mea Culpa - well done, you are able to spot typos, I am still sure that you are unable to understand the context because typos wouldnt even be noticed by a dyslecsic, not even if the typos were printed upside down

[myownalias]

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Would Mercedes still be in F1 if the engine formula didn't change? they supposedly threatened to leave F1 if the engine formula did not change to a turbo hybrid formula. That's no different to Ferrari threatening to leave if their conditions are not met. I simply distrust any car maker in motorsport.

The grownups were talking about threatening to leave if the hybrid was not introduced 5 years ago. It was Renault that threatened to leave if the V8s were not replaced. then Ferrari forced an extra year and a change from Renaults demanded 4 litre to a 6 litre.
Merc, years after they admitted that they MOST PROBABLY would have left if the old V8s had not been replaced by a more modern and relevant formula - Hybrid

Your quote is a response recently by Lauda to the stupid suggestion that V8s would be brought back to replace the Hybrid. No one took that seriously except a few h8rz on the interwebz, even Horner back tracked on that to say he meant simpler hybrid turbo with standard Renault parts

Its truly telling that you would even quote Laudas response to what was a joke and not even understand in what context you were posting it

Yet another Mea Culpa from the expertz

Erm, was this response aimed at me, if so I am confused, I never mentioned Niki Lauda anywhere!

[CookinFlat6]

No MOA, you are actually the adult refereed to in the post, believe it or not

[myownalias]

No MOA, you are actually the adult refereed to in the post, believe it or not

Well, that is high praise indeed... it's nice to know I have graduated to adult after 38 years on this Earth!

[overboost]

Its obvious to anyone with a pulse that I meant cylinders and not litres, however I retract your second Mea Culpa - well done, you are able to spot typos, I am still sure that you are unable to understand the context because typos wouldnt even be noticed by a dyslecsic, not even if the typos were printed upside down

Thank goodness. I though for a minute that you were having an episode of something or other! And yes I had stated that it was just a typo.

Are you dyslexic cooking? I often see you having difficulties with spelling and comprehension. If so you are doing a great job and should be commended!

[CookinFlat6]

Ah, you show your ignorance again, there are many ways dyslexia (or what is said to be dyslexia) manifests - however the main thing is that it is not a function of conprehension at all, its a fucnction of the expression of that comprehension. The expressing part is the easy part, like you can spell and probably know your 4x tables by heart - but you dont really know what to do with the stuff you learnt or the stuff you can read or even write out without spelling mistakes

You for example can read what Horner says and can get excited, but you didnt even know there was a deadline for 2015 changes

I could engrave a maths sum on a short plank of wood, but it doesnt mean that the thick short plank understands it

[The Second Coming]

SWEET MOTHER MARY!!!! It just hit me...the season is over. WTF! Three months of misery and despair. (Insert alcohol.) Thank goodness for DVRs. In the really lean times, I can go back and re-watch each race of 2014. I could use any emotional support you lot can provide. Cheerz!

[racechick]

Yep. It's over! To be honest after the lead up to the last race Im ready for a break!! Still recovering! But I'll be Wanting it to start again well before it does!!

[sagi58]

I just don't trust what the head people at manufacturers say; I would rather have privateer teams buying engines from manufacturers. The manufacturers will only stick around while things are working for them, if their business model changes and F1 doesn't suit their needs, they will be off like BMW, Honda and Toyota five or six years ago. Would Mercedes still be in F1 if the engine formula didn't change? they supposedly threatened to leave F1 if the engine formula did not change to a turbo hybrid formula. That's no different to Ferrari threatening to leave if their conditions are not met. I simply distrust any car maker in motorsport.

But how is this different from the 40 or so privateers who have come and gone in the recent past? Marussia Caterham and HRT for example, surely you would have rather seen Toyota, BMW and Audi turn up to compete for those few years before leaving? Or am I missing your point

btw, we have discussed this 'supposedly threatened to leave' by Merc and as no one had any concrete proof unlike for the threats by ferrari and Renault, then no one really pushes that angle except sagi

You really do need to keep up with Lauda... he may be older; but, he surely stays ahead:

 wrote:">Formula 1 Discusses Return to V-8s, Mercedes Says It Will Leave F1 If That Happens

...Mercedes-AMG Petronas chairman and F1 champ Niki Lauda told Global Motorsport Media that, “If V-8 comes back, Mercedes will be gone." Lauda was referencing the ever-clearer possibility that F1 rules may write off the complex 1.6-liter turbo V-6 engines and electric motors that the FIA mandated for the 2014 season. F1 CEO Bernie Ecclestone said last week that “we need to change the regulations” and would “try to get rid of these (V-6) engines.”

There’s zero incentive for Mercedes-AMG Petronas to switch back, as the Silver Arrow has won all but three of the 18 races run this season, with the final race of the year happening in Abu Dhabi on November 23. Last month, the team clinched its first-ever constructor’s championship and even taunted Ferrari outside the Italian team’s Maranello headquarters. The same engine powers three other F1 teams including McLaren, Williams, and Force India, and Mercedes would very much like to see these contracts continue in order to pay off its extensive R&D bill....

So... Mercedes is threatening to leave, if the hybrid doesn't stay, as there is no incentive.
I guess their altruistic nature/incentive is clearly on view in that last comment about wanting
to recuperate the "extensive R&D" monies already spent on these hybrids.

[Hammer278]

Well, if the sport becomes a farce only fools will stay on.

All parties AGREED for the change. After all the R&D spent, the sport wants to move back to square 1 because some losers (who AGREED to the change) can't keep up? And Mercedes are fulfilling a personal business vendetta?

Sagi, lets talk in a context you might understand. 2 kids in a playground are fighting, and you (the wise teach) go over and tell them to stop....saying if they stop they both get lollipops, with signed agreement from both parents on the deal. So they stop fighting and get their lollipops, and suddenly 1 kid swells up like a balloon and dies. Turns out the kid was highly allergic to the lollipop and the parents then come over and sue your a$$, blaming you for their child's death.

Are you going to say "ok you deserve my hard earned money I've worked for the last 25 years in this snot-nosed pre school" or are you going to say "WTF!?"

[racechick]

I just don't trust what the head people at manufacturers say; I would rather have privateer teams buying engines from manufacturers. The manufacturers will only stick around while things are working for them, if their business model changes and F1 doesn't suit their needs, they will be off like BMW, Honda and Toyota five or six years ago. Would Mercedes still be in F1 if the engine formula didn't change? they supposedly threatened to leave F1 if the engine formula did not change to a turbo hybrid formula. That's no different to Ferrari threatening to leave if their conditions are not met. I simply distrust any car maker in motorsport.

But how is this different from the 40 or so privateers who have come and gone in the recent past? Marussia Caterham and HRT for example, surely you would have rather seen Toyota, BMW and Audi turn up to compete for those few years before leaving? Or am I missing your point

btw, we have discussed this 'supposedly threatened to leave' by Merc and as no one had any concrete proof unlike for the threats by ferrari and Renault, then no one really pushes that angle except sagi

You really do need to keep up with Lauda... he may be older; but, he surely stays ahead:

 wrote:">Formula 1 Discusses Return to V-8s, Mercedes Says It Will Leave F1 If That Happens

...Mercedes-AMG Petronas chairman and F1 champ Niki Lauda told Global Motorsport Media that, “If V-8 comes back, Mercedes will be gone." Lauda was referencing the ever-clearer possibility that F1 rules may write off the complex 1.6-liter turbo V-6 engines and electric motors that the FIA mandated for the 2014 season. F1 CEO Bernie Ecclestone said last week that “we need to change the regulations” and would “try to get rid of these (V-6) engines.”

There’s zero incentive for Mercedes-AMG Petronas to switch back, as the Silver Arrow has won all but three of the 18 races run this season, with the final race of the year happening in Abu Dhabi on November 23. Last month, the team clinched its first-ever constructor’s championship and even taunted Ferrari outside the Italian team’s Maranello headquarters. The same engine powers three other F1 teams including McLaren, Williams, and Force India, and Mercedes would very much like to see these contracts continue in order to pay off its extensive R&D bill....

So... Mercedes is threatening to leave, if the hybrid doesn't stay, as there is no incentive.
I guess their altruistic nature/incentive is clearly on view in that last comment about wanting
to recuperate the "extensive R&D" monies already spent on these hybrids.

that's an old quote from Lauda...saying that Merc would leave if the engines returned to V8's , and it was discussed on here when he said it. The other manufactures don't want a return to V8's either.

The bit you've bolded in red at the end about wanting to recoup R& D isn't a Lauda quote, it's just an opinion of the writer of the article, it Isn't in quotes from Lauda.
However , of course they will want to recoup their R&D costs. Why wouldn't thay? This engine was agreed upon by all and money was spent, changing back now to old engines means all that money, by all engine manufacturers is wasted. The bulk of the money is now spent and engines should get cheaper as happened with theV8's

[CookinFlat6]

Well, if the sport becomes a farce only fools will stay on.

All parties AGREED for the change. After all the R&D spent, the sport wants to move back to square 1 because some losers (who AGREED to the change) can't keep up? And Mercedes are fulfilling a personal business vendetta?

Sagi, lets talk in a context you might understand. 2 kids in a playground are fighting, and you (the wise teach) go over and tell them to stop....saying if they stop they both get lollipops, with signed agreement from both parents on the deal. So they stop fighting and get their lollipops, and suddenly 1 kid swells up like a balloon and dies. Turns out the kid was highly allergic to the lollipop and the parents then come over and sue your a$$, blaming you for their child's death.

Are you going to say "ok you deserve my hard earned money I've worked for the last 25 years in this snot-nosed pre school" or are you going to say "WTF!?"

I bet she is not allowed lollipops at her school and so she will not be able to understand the analogy

[myownalias]

Alright, enough with the personal sniping, let's keep it strictly to the topic without the petty insults, please.

Attack the post, not the forum member!