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By scotty
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Well, in a race situation they can only use the rear wing on a straight, and redbull have just done a quali simulation today (according to the bbc), so its possible that its not a clear advantage.


Well, like i said it's possible the other teams purposefully haven't used the wing in these places where Red Bull have, but if that isn't true (which you have to admit seems like the far more likely scenario) then it strongly suggests the aero on the Red Bull is working brilliantly which is going to benefit them in every situation...
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By Robert12010
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Im getting a feeling that mercedes are struggling a bit, (well that was on the front of autosport) and spanky is right
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By FRAFPDD
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Just want to recommend the bbc coverage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 402013.stm, doesn't give you a lap by lap account, but the analysis is excellent.


And heavily biased :thumbup:


I think youll find the BBC is one of if not the most objective media corporation in the entire world. Do not confuse bias with demographics. Most people reading wanna know whats going down with Mclaren and its drivers. That is assuming thats who they are being bias towards in your opinion.
By Juliet P
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Redbull seem to be very confident with the way their running their testing program,guess they have the fastest car.


Snooze. If it's going to be a red bull whitewash I might not bother. :yawn:


So if your favorite team is not giving every other team a 'whitewash' you would tune out, I thought you liked F1 for what it is? Not a very sporting attitude or outlook imho? I'm not picking on you specifically just your reasoning but that is your choice to make.


I find any team being utterly dominant boring, to be honest. But I know you enjoy using the most specious excuses to have a go at me. :rolleyes:
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By nish2280
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Just want to recommend the bbc coverage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 402013.stm, doesn't give you a lap by lap account, but the analysis is excellent.


And heavily biased :thumbup:


I think youll find the BBC is one of if not the most objective media corporation in the entire world. Do not confuse bias with demographics. Most people reading wanna know whats going down with Mclaren and its drivers. That is assuming thats who they are being bias towards in your opinion.


I'm not saying they have a personal hatred for any team, but similar to what Frafpdd is saying, their opinions are usually angled in favor of what british fans would like to hear, so to say.

So for example they might say Lewis's Monza crash was a racing incident and not Lewis's fault when really Lewis made a misjudged the overtake.
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By racechick
#240025
Just want to recommend the bbc coverage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 402013.stm, doesn't give you a lap by lap account, but the analysis is excellent.


And heavily biased :thumbup:


I think youll find the BBC is one of if not the most objective media corporation in the entire world. Do not confuse bias with demographics. Most people reading wanna know whats going down with Mclaren and its drivers. That is assuming thats who they are being bias towards in your opinion.


I'm not saying they have a personal hatred for any team, but similar to what Frafpdd is saying, their opinions are usually angled in favor of what british fans would like to hear, so to say.

So for example they might say Lewis's Monza crash was a racing incident and not Lewis's fault when really Lewis made a misjudged the overtake.



In your opinion, which might be biased.
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By nish2280
#240026
Just want to recommend the bbc coverage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 402013.stm, doesn't give you a lap by lap account, but the analysis is excellent.


And heavily biased :thumbup:


I think youll find the BBC is one of if not the most objective media corporation in the entire world. Do not confuse bias with demographics. Most people reading wanna know whats going down with Mclaren and its drivers. That is assuming thats who they are being bias towards in your opinion.


I'm not saying they have a personal hatred for any team, but similar to what Frafpdd is saying, their opinions are usually angled in favor of what british fans would like to hear, so to say.

So for example they might say Lewis's Monza crash was a racing incident and not Lewis's fault when really Lewis made a misjudged the overtake.



In your opinion, which might be biased.


I was giving an example, purely theoretical, if in fact he did misjudge (maybe he admits it after the race or something along those lines to show that he did actually).

I shouldnt have used Lewis as an example, always stirs up a bit of trouble. :wink:
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By racechick
#240030
Just want to recommend the bbc coverage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 402013.stm, doesn't give you a lap by lap account, but the analysis is excellent.


And heavily biased :thumbup:


I think youll find the BBC is one of if not the most objective media corporation in the entire world. Do not confuse bias with demographics. Most people reading wanna know whats going down with Mclaren and its drivers. That is assuming thats who they are being bias towards in your opinion.


I'm not saying they have a personal hatred for any team, but similar to what Frafpdd is saying, their opinions are usually angled in favor of what british fans would like to hear, so to say.

So for example they might say Lewis's Monza crash was a racing incident and not Lewis's fault when really Lewis made a misjudged the overtake.



In your opinion, which might be biased.


I was giving an example, purely theoretical, if in fact he did misjudge (maybe he admits it after the race or something along those lines to show that he did actually).

I shouldnt have used Lewis as an example, always stirs up a bit of trouble. :wink:


Well you're forgiven, since its the off-season and we need a bit of excitement :)
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By scotty
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Also, has anyone got the breakdown of which driver has been testing so far? Seems Fernando has had more testing time than Massa (on track).


http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2528 ... e-line-up/

That's only for Barcelona, the previous tests can probably be easily figured out... as you can see Massa (plus several drivers in other teams) will get to do the next two days which will balance it all out. All the teams seem to have split the testing duties evenly except for those that have just not been able to for external reasons (Renault, Hispania for example).
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By texasmr2
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Redbull seem to be very confident with the way their running their testing program,guess they have the fastest car.


Snooze. If it's going to be a red bull whitewash I might not bother. :yawn:


So if your favorite team is not giving every other team a 'whitewash' you would tune out, I thought you liked F1 for what it is? Not a very sporting attitude or outlook imho? I'm not picking on you specifically just your reasoning but that is your choice to make.


I find any team being utterly dominant boring, to be honest. But I know you enjoy using the most specious excuses to have a go at me. :rolleyes:

I said I was not having a go at you I just don't understand that sort of reasoning thats all. :)
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By spankyham
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I don't necessarily agree with all this, but interesting anyway. I think he's failing to take into consideration that the McLaren hasn't been developed as much yet. They need a few more days of testing to make any judgments at all. His descriptions of various cars handling is what I think is important out of this lot.

Edd Straw's blog:

The question everyone is asking during pre-season testing is what is the competitive order? The fans want to know. The teams have an inkling, but still can't be sure about where they will be come the end of qualifying for whichever race opens the Formula 1 season. But with nine days of testing in the books, we're beginning to see some faint patterns emerging.

For this test, AUTOSPORT has a secret weapon in the form of our technical contributor, Gary Anderson. As a designer of grand prix-winning cars and with Formula 1 experience stretching back to the James Hunt days, a few hours spent wandering the pit lane and watching track side with him offers tremendous insight, not to mention a way to verify your own impressions.

You'll have read in Gary's blog some of his impressions from track side, and indeed it is from behind the tyre wall that you can learn an enormous amount. The Mercedes, for example, looks every bit as bad as you would expect from what became clear at the Jerez test.

Nico Rosberg was having to work the car hard to get it to turn into the faster stuff – at Turns 1, 3 and 9 this is particularly obvious. He just can't get it to turn in as he would like and carry the speed into the corner. There's a big upgrade planned and it had better be huge, because this car doesn't even look like a Q3 contender on its performance so far.

The McLaren, as Gary pointed out, isn't much better, while some of the less-fancied cars also caught the attention. The Sauber, in the hands of Kamui Kobayashi, looks very well-planted on turn in and he can carry good speed through the corner, although is a little less eye-catching in the slow stuff. I'm a little more confident than Gary of Kobayashi's ability to keep it on the black stuff - he has an impressive ability to look like he's near an accident without getting involved in as many as his rookie status last year might suggest. The Williams also looked good and stable, while the Toro Rosso was, although not spectacular, consistent and seemed very driveable.

All of that is bad news for Mercedes, in particular. If it continues to struggle, there is a very competitive midfield pack ready to fill the spots ahead of it. Looking at the longer run times, the car is slow and chews its tyres whoever is at the wheel. But let's accentuate the positive and say at least it topped the mileage chart today, which at least suggests reliability has been ameliorated.

Teams have turned around pre-season struggles before, but it's incredibly difficult and extremely rare. Remember BMW Sauber in 2008? It was deep in the mire until the final test and only a rare Robert Kubica blunder during qualifying cost the team pole position.

Back in the pit lane, there's the opportunity to take a closer look at some of the cars. One of the prime spots is at the pit exit, where drivers sometimes stop to complete a practice start.

It's an ear-shattering experience to stand two metres from a grand prix car doing a full race start, but one car in particular stood out. While the rest were merely loud, the Renault was at a whole new level - rattling your rib cage and sending shockwaves through your eardrums that made you question whether you had forgotten to put your earplugs in.

The Renault certainly looks promising, and there were times on-track when it really looked the part. Standing on the outside of Turn 1, Nick Heidfeld came through one lap awesomely committed, turned in, got on the power early and the car stuck. The next, the car didn't take kindly to the application of the throttle in the same place and he had to feather a little, so perhaps the blown floor isn't yet quite as consistent as he would like. But the car certainly has potential that, just maybe, will take the bearded wonder to his first grand prix win.

So, colours to the mast. If a grand prix were to be held tomorrow, my money would be on Red Bull or Ferrari with a sneaky each-way on Renault. The first two cars look quick and good on their tyres, while there's enough about the Renault to get excited about.

That begs the inevitable question what of McLaren? Let's give them a couple more days, but I wager that if that car went into a qualifying session tomorrow it wouldn't set the world alight. Fortunately for me, there's not going to be a grand prix tomorrow, so that prediction will never be falsified.


Here's the link unfortunately it's pay for stuff, but I got the whole article from another forum :-)
By Hammer278
#240084
Agreed with spanky, if the race weekend started *now*, Redbull will be leading with Ferrari snapping at their heels. Renault will be best of the rest.

McLaren are an unknown factor, my belief is that they have gone with a design which will take time to unlock its full potential, the challenge for them is to do that ASAP. If they take mroe than 4 or 5 races to do it, the Championship is already lost.
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