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[What's Burning?]

With Austin it is quite similar. It's basically a meshup of existing corners and as a wannabe artist i just don't think thats quite right. I don't know if you guys wanted to hang a picture of Picasso, Dali and Rafael blended into a single piece in your livingroom.

this is an excellent analogy.

[f1ea]

I think the biggest problems with today's tracks is that they're designed by the same guy.
He could be the best, could be the worst, could be somewhere in the middle. But when you have all the tracks designed with the same mentality, the flaws will end up being highlighted. There's a couple of nice Tilke tracks... if there were more of other type of tracks, Tilke's style would have its place.

In my opinion, the best racing tracks are the ones that appear as if they simply OCCURED rather than designed.
But like i said, if all tracks had the same criteria it would end up not so appealing. Variety is key.

Perhaps Bernie owes Tilke some favors, or Tilke knows some of Bernie's dirty secrets.... what he can do is let Tilke design the auxiliary structures, and have different firms designing the tracks. Everybody's happy, and Bernie's secrets remain between him and Tilke.

[Kai FT]

I think the biggest problems with today's tracks is that they're designed by the same guy.
He could be the best, could be the worst, could be somewhere in the middle. But when you have all the tracks designed with the same mentality, the flaws will end up being highlighted. There's a couple of nice Tilke tracks... if there were more of other type of tracks, Tilke's style would have its place.

In my opinion, the best racing tracks are the ones that appear as if they simply OCCURED rather than designed.
But like i said, if all tracks had the same criteria it would end up not so appealing. Variety is key.

Perhaps Bernie owes Tilke some favors, or Tilke knows some of Bernie's dirty secrets.... what he can do is let Tilke design the auxiliary structures, and have different firms designing the tracks. Everybody's happy, and Bernie's secrets remain between him and Tilke.

yep, agree, monopoly is monotony.

[spankyham]

For me there are far too many street circuits. And too many great circuits not being used by F1. Imola for one.
I'm no artist or designer, but, I don't think drawing inspiration from (or in cruder terms copying) is necessarily bad.
One other thought, some of my favourite parts of circuits I like, come from the undulations and how they are used. You don't really see them on TV or in map representations, but Spa etc have some spectacular rises and falls that really add to a track. I was interested to see that the new Indian track has a drop then rise on its main straight.
I also agree that it's not good to have seemingly only one F1 track designer.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Competition improves the breed. For reasons known only to him, Bernie has stifled competition and put all his eggs in one basket (by name of Hermann Tilke).

Tilke has a brilliant eye for laying out a circuit that will provide fans in the grandstands a tremendous vantage point. Unfortunately, he is utterly tone deaf when it comes to "seeing" the racing line. The corners he designs almost without exception have but a single and very narrow racing line. At corners like these, racing skill takes a back seat to sheer aggression and willingness to risk contact by "playing chicken." With the fragility of the current crop of cars, that is a losing proposition. The end result is that the fans have a tremendous view of a bunch of parade laps.

Tilke's most acclaimed accomplishment to date is Turkey's quad-apex corner #8. It is truly spectacular to see racing cars negotiating it at 160 mph and pulling five Gs around what is a very long corner but under those conditions, it is not even remotely possible for two cars to compete for track position. So, ironically, Tilke's most acclaimed accomplishment is a racing circuit corner at which no racing takes place.

Then comes Austin. By now, it is widely known that the fans think Tilke's circuits are an EPIC FAIL. So either he or Bernie decided to change tack at Austin. And like the would-be artist who himself is incapable of creating true art, Tilke resorts to a paint-by-numbers collage of works by the great masters.

It's a shame, really, because this has been an unprecedented era of expansion for F1. Over the past decade, the rate of building of new bespoke F1 circuits has been unheard of, so F1 are flush with new circuits with updated safety features and modern facilities. All of which means F1 very likely will be labouring under the burden of the TilkeDromes for decades to come.

[What's Burning?]

Wait till you see Bernie's phase two of his plan.

Make the cars teeny tiny... that's why the low liter turbos are coming! The tinier the cars, the wider the racing line! Pretty soon F1 drivers will look like jockeys.

[racechick]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

[f1ea]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

You sure?

I tell you, its not easy...

[MattMK45]

I was annoyed when Eddie Jordan had that brief interview with Bernie about tracks for 2011 because he hinted towards closing some tracks down if they are not up to standard. I am fine with F1 moving towards the east with lots of new tracks but most do not have the charisma or passion that most established f1 circuits do. And yes, I agree that Tilke's tracks have too narrow a racing line is annoying and most of his races can be pretty boring such as valencia for example.

[The Immortal Dragon]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

You sure?

I tell you, its not easy...

That's true.
Try drawing a nice F1 circuit on a piece of paper; it's quite difficult to make one that looks both nice and realistic at the same time.
What F1 needs is simply a bit of competition in designing the tracks, too.

And, as spankyham said, there are too many street circuits; above all Valencia, which is the most useless and boring race track I've ever seen.

[racechick]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

You sure?

I tell you, its not easy...

That's true.
Try drawing a nice F1 circuit on a piece of paper; it's quite difficult to make one that looks both nice and realistic at the same time.
What F1 needs is simply a bit of competition in designing the tracks, too.

And, as spankyham said, there are too many street circuits; above all Valencia, which is the most useless and boring race track I've ever seen.

Im sure its not easy. My tracks wold be WILD!! With loads of overtaking. And theyd look cool too

[The Immortal Dragon]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

You sure?

I tell you, its not easy...

That's true.
Try drawing a nice F1 circuit on a piece of paper; it's quite difficult to make one that looks both nice and realistic at the same time.
What F1 needs is simply a bit of competition in designing the tracks, too.

And, as spankyham said, there are too many street circuits; above all Valencia, which is the most useless and boring race track I've ever seen.

Im sure its not easy. My tracks wold be WILD!! With loads of overtaking. And theyd look cool too

Sometimes I tried, and my tracks were wild, too.
One had a more-than-360°-turn
How could would that be?!

[racechick]

I think I could do a track better than Tilke's (Istanbul park being the exception)

You sure?

I tell you, its not easy...

That's true.
Try drawing a nice F1 circuit on a piece of paper; it's quite difficult to make one that looks both nice and realistic at the same time.
What F1 needs is simply a bit of competition in designing the tracks, too.

And, as spankyham said, there are too many street circuits; above all Valencia, which is the most useless and boring race track I've ever seen.

Im sure its not easy. My tracks wold be WILD!! With loads of overtaking. And theyd look cool too

Sometimes I tried, and my tracks were wild, too.
One had a more-than-360°-turn
How could would that be?!

A steep tight incline followed by a long long sweeping downhill turn

[What's Burning?]

A steep tight incline followed by a long long sweeping downhill turn

Mmmm... Que bella.

[stonemonkey]

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