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[Jensonb]

You cant deny that if Vettel had stayed in the race and followed the same strategy as Webber he would have been behind Jenson on a fairly fresh set of tyres and based on the pace of Webber, Hamilton and Rosberg he would have been going significantly faster than Button and this could have lead to a battle for first place.

True, but who's to say he'd have gotten past Button? Vettel's no Hamilton when it comes to overtakes, and Lewis was having trouble getting pas Kubica in the slower Renault.

[bmwpower]

You cant deny that if Vettel had stayed in the race and followed the same strategy as Webber he would have been behind Jenson on a fairly fresh set of tyres and based on the pace of Webber, Hamilton and Rosberg he would have been going significantly faster than Button and this could have lead to a battle for first place.

Do you have an video footage of this or maybe an alternate ending that the rest of us don't know about? Because the rest of saw JB was smarter to drive smoothly to preserve his tires when LH burned his tires trying to go faster. But on an given day anybody can win if given the opportunity and the opportunity was given when the track was wet making the the front runners more closely matched. I do agreed that if the track was dry, it would have been an easy 1-2 for Red Bull.

[Gaz]

Standing outside the grass in front of the McLaren team office was an emotional John Button – his faced etched with a grin that had become common place so many times throughout 2009 when he wore his trademark pink shirt.

As he wallowed in the moment, the door to McLaren opened and out walked Jackie Stewart – who made a bee-line for Button Sr. After an emotional hug between the two men, Stewart looked up at Button and said: "John, that was a drive that Jimmy Clark and I would have been proud of…"

enough said

[The Ram]

I am proud of Jenson too. From the two minutes I saw of him on my TV He did really good. Really good...

The win had some amount of luck involved. (Luck is when things are beyond your control). But i give him credit for his thinking that lead him to take that gamble. So Jenson himself had some input into his win.

The factors that were out of his control and that he did not have to fight were:

The weather.
The hardness of the gravel trap.
Vettel's torque drive (wheel dowels) on his front left wheel.
Robert Kubica's pace.
The maximum life of the soft tyres.

Somehow.. Rain didn't fall again, the gravel trap was hard enough for Button to escape, Vettel's torque drive failed, Robert Kubica held back the other competitors, and the soft tyres unbeknownst to anyone, had the capability to last for over 50 laps.

So there were five uncontrollable factors that played into Button's favour. And luckily he did not have to confront any of them (remember he can't control the properties of the gravel or change the tyre pressure at command). It was smooth sailing for him basically.

Do I care if it's a lucky win? No. A win is a win. So being objective, they were many uncontrolled factors that played in Button's favour, but Button put himself in the position to capitalize on them. This you can attribute to his 10 years of experience and intelligence.

[Stealthgate007]

I agree.

[EwanM]

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[manmonkee]

No such thing as a lucky win

Absoloutly, people talk about a lucky gamble, Jenson judged the track conditions and was right, people talk about luck, Luck doesn't come into it, sour grapes do!.

[madbrad]

Every win has an element of luck to it.

When Senna won Monaco '92 it was because he was lucky to be such a great driver that he could keep Mansell from passing him.

Mansell won the title because he was lucky. Lucky to have the ability to grow the awesomest moustache in the history of mankind!

[Jensonb]

The final word:

http://www.forumula1.com/2010/f1/featur ... -so-lucky/

[madbrad]

When the safety car came out I thought it was a perfect time for Alonso to go in for dry tires. He had been put to the back, and if he pitted during the safety car he would not have lost any time. Then he would jump a lot of places when other guys went in for theirs later. I knew he didn't because it was too wet, but then Button did it. So Now I think it would have done Alonso good to switch to dries during the safety car, if allowed.

[al4x]

as much as i dislike button, it wasnt luck, there was a bit, [not aa lucky as last year!!] but the call to come in wasnt a must.. it was a good call and it worked.. it was a all or nothing move, it couldve ended in nothing, but this time worked.

[texasmr2]

I certain percentage of luck will always play apart in a drivers race and those who do not believe in luck are fooling themselves, strictly my opinion though .

[Jensonb]

I certain percentage of luck will always play apart in a drivers race and those who do not believe in luck are fooling themselves, strictly my opinion though .

Mm. Luck creates opportunities, smarts & wisdom allow you to take advantage of opportnities and skill turns that into success.

[texasmr2]

I certain percentage of luck will always play apart in a drivers race and those who do not believe in luck are fooling themselves, strictly my opinion though .

Mm. Luck creates opportunities, smarts & wisdom allow you to take advantage of opportnities and skill turns that into success.

I know the difference thanks but a certain amount of luck plays in everything no matter what it is. I think you may be thinking my meaning is more along the lines that Jenson had more luck than skill or wisdom but that is not the case.

[VeryMuchMistaken]

I certain percentage of luck will always play apart in a drivers race and those who do not believe in luck are fooling themselves, strictly my opinion though .

I was thinking the same thing. I disagree with the notion that there is no such thing as a lucky win – every win is a lucky win, to a greater or lesser extent. There are always ifs, buts and maybes that could have led to a different outcome.

But that doesn't mean the winners don't deserve their win, or that it was blind chance that put them at the top of the podium. In general, the better driver/car combinations will gain more 'lucky' wins than the other guys – and that is not a matter of luck.