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[Jamie]

I do believe this is real and despite what RB say
They have got some sort of major advantage and they do need to be investigated!!!

Every car needs to be checked thoroughly, because believe you me Ferrari can whip one of these up in 3 days flat!!

I'm 55-60% certain Ferrari are already running one.

Maybe so, they do seem to be near the same pace....
If they have it, lets hope they it all set in Mal!!

Too busy hoping McLaren can be clever and exploit whatever situation arises to net a 1-2.

Meow

Haha. We have fun.

Well let's see what Malaysia brings. It's a week off for me so i was watching to classic F1

Schumi and that Ferrari were brilliant

Now lets Hope Alonso & Ferrari are brilliant is what will be said next week

My Son one day will brag about them

[What's Burning?]

I idea, I sent to all the team, (they have had a few days to look into my idea) is that there is a fluid filled pouch underneath the fuel cell that when compressed by a heavy fuel tank allows fluid into another pouch that is connected to the inside of the rear wishbones that would raise the rise height. so as the fuel runs low more fluid is allowed back into the fuel cells pouch and would lower the back of the car. there would also have to be some sort of flow restriction to negate hitting bumps and G forces the car is put under.

It's a good idea in principal and I hope you get a team that bites. However I think it may be much "lighter" to implement something else that's closer to the suspension and can be adjusted as Red Bull is suspected to be doing it during a pit stop. The problem with your idea is that there is a lot of dead weight, more fluid and depending on the aero of the car may need to be implemented in the front as well as the rear for balance. The beauty of your idea is that it's active and would be optimized for every type of fuel load.

[Jabberwocky]

I idea, I sent to all the team, (they have had a few days to look into my idea) is that there is a fluid filled pouch underneath the fuel cell that when compressed by a heavy fuel tank allows fluid into another pouch that is connected to the inside of the rear wishbones that would raise the rise height. so as the fuel runs low more fluid is allowed back into the fuel cells pouch and would lower the back of the car. there would also have to be some sort of flow restriction to negate hitting bumps and G forces the car is put under.

It's a good idea in principal and I hope you get a team that bites. However I think it may be much "lighter" to implement something else that's closer to the suspension and can be adjusted as Red Bull is suspected to be doing it during a pit stop. The problem with your idea is that there is a lot of dead weight, more fluid and depending on the aero of the car may need to be implemented in the front as well as the rear for balance. The beauty of your idea is that it's active and would be optimized for every type of fuel load.

I originally thought of a see saw type of idea, but thought that the fluid idea would save space a bit more. I will let you guys know if I get anything back off a team.

[bud]

i dont think fluid ballast is allowed though?

[Jabberwocky]

i dont think fluid ballast is allowed though?

Not thought of that, not seen that written down though.

[bud]

isnt that what Honda got banned 2 races for a few years back?

[Denthúl]

isnt that what Honda got banned 2 races for a few years back?

Wasn't that more to do with the fact that it allowed them to run underweight, and not just because it was fluid ballast?

[stonemonkey]

I idea, I sent to all the team, (they have had a few days to look into my idea) is that there is a fluid filled pouch underneath the fuel cell that when compressed by a heavy fuel tank allows fluid into another pouch that is connected to the inside of the rear wishbones that would raise the rise height. so as the fuel runs low more fluid is allowed back into the fuel cells pouch and would lower the back of the car. there would also have to be some sort of flow restriction to negate hitting bumps and G forces the car is put under.

It's a good idea in principal and I hope you get a team that bites. However I think it may be much "lighter" to implement something else that's closer to the suspension and can be adjusted as Red Bull is suspected to be doing it during a pit stop. The problem with your idea is that there is a lot of dead weight, more fluid and depending on the aero of the car may need to be implemented in the front as well as the rear for balance. The beauty of your idea is that it's active and would be optimized for every type of fuel load.

I originally thought of a see saw type of idea, but thought that the fluid idea would save space a bit more. I will let you guys know if I get anything back off a team.

I really can't imagine how this would work, perhaps a powered hydraulic system (which wouldn't be allowed) and even at that I don't think I'd like to depend on that. But some sort of hydraulic system using the weight or pressure from the fuel tank, to me that sounds impossible in F1(imagine the diameter of cylinder you'd need at the suspension end of the system) and dangerous to even attempt.

[darwin dali]

isnt that what Honda got banned 2 races for a few years back?

Wasn't that more to do with the fact that it allowed them to run underweight, and not just because it was fluid ballast?

And it was still BAR back then...

[madbrad]

What if you had little tiny hobbits in the suspension that would install a series of spring lifters when the tank is fuelled, then took them out progressively as the tank emptied itself? Where does it say no hobbits in the rulebook?

[Jabberwocky]

What if you had little tiny hobbits in the suspension that would install a series of spring lifters when the tank is fuelled, then took them out progressively as the tank emptied itself? Where does it say no hobbits in the rulebook?

on Lord of the Piston Ring page 83

[darwin dali]

What if you had little tiny hobbits in the suspension that would install a series of spring lifters when the tank is fuelled, then took them out progressively as the tank emptied itself? Where does it say no hobbits in the rulebook?

on Lord of the Piston Ring page 83

Precious!

[scotty]

I heard their system uses gas in the dampers to change the ride height... let me see if i can find the article i read that in again...

[Jensonb]

isnt that what Honda got banned 2 races for a few years back?

Wasn't that more to do with the fact that it allowed them to run underweight, and not just because it was fluid ballast?

And it was still BAR back then...

Basically, BAR had a system which required the fuel to be pressurised in a second chamber, so the car wasn't functional (As in it was completely useless) without (I think) 5KG of fuel in it to make the pressurising system work.

The FiA ruled that it was fluid ballast used to make the car operate underweight when approaching pit stops.

On an "unrelated" note, shortly after the San Marino Grand Prix in 2005, several teams submitted new fuel cell designs to the FiA.

[Jabberwocky]

How did that make the car better if it had to have 5kg of fuel in it