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By richindarlo
#143792
fact is, the whole issue only came about because of the events of the 2 weeks or so leading up to that race. yes, they would maybe of had a rollocking but not to the extent it was taken. Still, Alonso unsurprisingly races at the weekend, and hopefully we will have a good weekends racing!
By Gaz
#143807
Valencia will still be crap reguardless ;)

Good news tho...


yeh good news for a RENAULT FAN EH??


Im sorry are you talking to ME ?? :yikes:


Yeh since your supporting Renault F1 now.

turncoat!


:cry:


calm down.
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By texasmr2
#143812
The fine seems fair enough to me. Anyone freaking out over a wheel coming adrift obviously doesn't watch any other racing other than F1. Wheels come off of race cars. It happens. Want that to change? Then get on your soap box and lobby for multiple lug nuts (nascar) rather than one center nut. One point of failure means a higher percentage of incidents. We've also seen many many drivers circulate the track with a tire flat and coming off the rim. What do you think that tire will do to someone's head if it comes off the rim and rolls in front of an F1 car? I don't see anyone calling for an immediate firing squad if someone drives a flat around the track back to the pits. This is racing folks, not your sunday stroll down to the pub. Any punishment at all is a bit ridiculous but with a death so fresh in everyone's minds....it is understandable. Race on.

I feel your missing the point Bill. In simple terms the tireman KNOWING he did not get the lugnut on properly still let the car leave the pit's. Renaults plea was that there was a lack of communication between the pit crew and the pit wall crew which I think is BS. The situation was avoidable but a tire coming off is an unavoidable situation and if the car stays off the racing line while limping back to the pit's at a much slower speed the chance of a tire departing from the rim is greatly reduced. Anyway that is why we have flag people right?

on the 'i love/like every track' point, i def dont, i hate valencia and a fair few other tracks i would rather renault miss this than any other its pants, lets be honest!

I feel this is directed at me so I'll reply to it and I'm ALWAYS honest fyi :wink: . As I have stated on numerous occasion's I just love F1 racing and I dont care what track it's at.
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By myownalias
#143814
I'm not surprised it was overturned as I feel it was a harsh decision to ban Renault while RBR only got a $50,000 fine for a similar breach of the rules. We all know it was a knee jerk reaction by the stewards after Felipe Massa's accident and Henry Surtees death. Not so long ago it was common for wheels to come flying off for whatever reason without any penalty at all. I understand that safety is paramount but the drivers know its a dangerous sport and get paid well to compete in the sport.
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By volatilis
#143816
It will be interesting to read the FIA's report of the decision in due course. Perhaps this will shed some light on why the penalty was so harsh in the first place.

I for one thought it was appropriate considering the circumstances and the reasons the FIA initially stated.

As far as I am concerned they should have stuck to their guns, as overturning the ban makes them look like they are pandering to outside pressures when adjudicating.
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By billindenver
#143845
The fine seems fair enough to me. Anyone freaking out over a wheel coming adrift obviously doesn't watch any other racing other than F1. Wheels come off of race cars. It happens. Want that to change? Then get on your soap box and lobby for multiple lug nuts (nascar) rather than one center nut. One point of failure means a higher percentage of incidents. We've also seen many many drivers circulate the track with a tire flat and coming off the rim. What do you think that tire will do to someone's head if it comes off the rim and rolls in front of an F1 car? I don't see anyone calling for an immediate firing squad if someone drives a flat around the track back to the pits. This is racing folks, not your sunday stroll down to the pub. Any punishment at all is a bit ridiculous but with a death so fresh in everyone's minds....it is understandable. Race on.

I feel your missing the point Bill. In simple terms the tireman KNOWING he did not get the lugnut on properly still let the car leave the pit's. Renaults plea was that there was a lack of communication between the pit crew and the pit wall crew which I think is BS. The situation was avoidable but a tire coming off is an unavoidable situation and if the car stays off the racing line while limping back to the pit's at a much slower speed the chance of a tire departing from the rim is greatly reduced. Anyway that is why we have flag people right?


I see where you are coming from, but I disagree with the conclusion. The spring that came off and hit Massa in the head wasn't travelling at a high rate of speed...but HE was so what speed it comes off at is irrelevant. The same could quite easily happen with a tire, and you can't say you haven't seen tires dancing all over the rims with both beads broken and threatening to depart. The same can be said for front wings, rear suspensions etc. My point being if we want to penalize a team for every unsafe possibility...we would be penalizing Ferrari for the exhaust manifold situation last year (wasn't it last year?) as well as just about every team at some point for something. It's racing. You simply can not legislate danger out of the sport. You can't. Stop trying....it muddies up the racing. Sure, keep them as safe as you can but this sort of thing is ridiculous. To say after analyzing slow motion replays that you know what a corner man was thinking is silly. He may well have thought the nut was set but the shroud was spinning without setting in it's detent. We have seen that happen before have we not? The shroud departed and the wheel remained in tact. Lets keep in mind the corner guy was not watching TV replays at that point, he probably would have put two and two together if he had been, but his pit wall was...while he walked back to the pits, put tools away or whatever it is they do.

Penalizing racing incidents where cars touch is ridiculous. Penalizing mechanical problems is ridiculous. The team LOST the race. That is the penalty for the corner guy who didn't get the wheel on correctly. The penalty for screwing up is LOSING. There is no need for more....the FIA is entirely too full of themselves as it is....supporting them flexing their muscles will only lead to more of the same. When you screw up at a race you lose that race...that's why we call it racing. That's my take anyway.
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By billindenver
#143847
It just occurred to me that in the week I've been out of town more info may have come out. Was there an admission by the corner guy that he knew he had put it on wrong or anything like that? Something that screams negligence rather than unforeseen mistake?
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By texasmr2
#143848
It just occurred to me that in the week I've been out of town more info may have come out. Was there an admission by the corner guy that he knew he had put it on wrong or anything like that? Something that screams negligence rather than unforeseen mistake?

I have not read or heard anything but then again I dont surf any other motorsports forums except this one.
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By Frosty
#143852
It just occurred to me that in the week I've been out of town more info may have come out. Was there an admission by the corner guy that he knew he had put it on wrong or anything like that? Something that screams negligence rather than unforeseen mistake?

I think he did and I think the team knew very quickly! This is what the FIA said.
"That the competitor knowingly released car #7 from the pitstop position without one of the retaining devices for the wheelnuts being securely in place, this being an indication that the wheel itself may not have been properly secured.

"Being aware of this failed to take any action to prevent the car from leaving the pitlane.

"Failed to inform the driver of this problem or to advise him to take appropriate action given the circumstances, even through the driver contacted the team by radio believing he had a puncture.

"This resulted in a heavy car part [the metal retaining device] detaching at Turn 5 and the wheel itself detaching at Turn 9."


It was a case of gross negligence in my opinion.
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By Jensonb
#143854
I still think the $50,000 fine is lenient. Needs at least another two zeroes. For two reasons: the first being that they let the car go with the wheel loose, THEN failed to stop it in the Pit Lane and THEN failed to let Fernando know so he could act accordingly. The second reason is that, like it or not, these things do not occur in a vacuum. Renault shouldn't have acted as they did at the best of times, but in the climate at the time, so soon after such devastating accidents...Their actions were foolhardy and smack of negligence.
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By scotty
#143860
So this fine is supposedly the same that Red Bull got for their shenanigans with Vettel trying to drive on despite a dangerously damaged car in Melbourne. Is this... consistency from the stewards?!!?

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By texasmr2
#143870
I still think the $50,000 fine is lenient. Needs at least another two zeroes. For two reasons: the first being that they let the car go with the wheel loose, THEN failed to stop it in the Pit Lane and THEN failed to let Fernando know so he could act accordingly. The second reason is that, like it or not, these things do not occur in a vacuum. Renault shouldn't have acted as they did at the best of times, but in the climate at the time, so soon after such devastating accidents...Their actions were foolhardy and smack of negligence.

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