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[Gaz]

Really twisting the knife aren't you DD

Not really!



I'm using a machete here

This worries me DD its as if you Hate Mclaren.

Ron's gone now..be happy.

ANyway 1 board member means Sweet FA. Haug is saying 2010 is still good

No worries.

[EwanM]

Really twisting the knife aren't you DD

Not really!



I'm using a machete here

[darwin dali]

Really twisting the knife aren't you DD

Not really!



I'm using a machete here

This worries me DD its as if you Hate Mclaren.

Ron's gone now..be happy.

ANyway 1 board member means Sweet FA. Haug is saying 2010 is still good

No worries.

Yup, good riddance. Now if only Whitmarsh left as well - he's too close to RD and continues that McLaren culture of deceit...

What worries me though is if Mercedes pulls out, what will happen with Haug? I'd really like him to run McLaren soon. But maybe that (pulling out) would open the door for him to take over because he wouldn't be on Mercedes' leash anymore (or could divorce himself from them as they divorce themselves from McLaren)?

[EwanM]

I doubt Haug would leave Mercedes, he has an important part to play in their F3 and DTM set up.

[darwin dali]

I doubt Haug would leave Mercedes, he has an important part to play in their F3 and DTM set up.

I don't know whether he's ambition driven enough, but if yes, he might cherish the challenge to run his own F1 team (cough *Ross* cough)...

[Gaz]

Really twisting the knife aren't you DD

Not really!



I'm using a machete here

This worries me DD its as if you Hate Mclaren.

Ron's gone now..be happy.

ANyway 1 board member means Sweet FA. Haug is saying 2010 is still good

No worries.

Yup, good riddance. Now if only Whitmarsh left as well - he's too close to RD and continues that McLaren culture of deceit...

What worries me though is if Mercedes pulls out, what will happen with Haug? I'd really like him to run McLaren soon. But maybe that (pulling out) would open the door for him to take over because he wouldn't be on Mercedes' leash anymore (or could divorce himself from them as they divorce themselves from McLaren)?

So..what your saying is..

You'd like to see Haug (and Merc) take over Mclaren completely and it become Mercades F1

Not going to happy sorry.

[7UpJordan]

I'd like to see quotes before i belive this for a start.

I think we might see Mclaren-Cosworth for 2011 or the Merc engine built under licence perhaps?

I've got a feeling at this rate it's going to turn into something like the split up between Williams and BMW in 2005, McLaren will get the Cosworth and Mercedes will either try and get their own team up and running or just stick to supplying engines.

[EwanM]

Its ridculous when F1 is coming to this again. I know economic times are hard but surely there should be a commitment from the manufacturers. When times are agood again they will benefit.

[Gaz]

I'd like to see quotes before i belive this for a start.

I think we might see Mclaren-Cosworth for 2011 or the Merc engine built under licence perhaps?

I've got a feeling at this rate it's going to turn into something like the split up between Williams and BMW in 2005, McLaren will get the Cosworth and Mercedes will either try and get their own team up and running or just stick to supplying engines.

To be fair if they just became a Engine Supplier i bet Mclaren would stick with them.

that engine is very very good

[darwin dali]

Really twisting the knife aren't you DD

Not really!



I'm using a machete here

This worries me DD its as if you Hate Mclaren.

Ron's gone now..be happy.

ANyway 1 board member means Sweet FA. Haug is saying 2010 is still good

No worries.

Yup, good riddance. Now if only Whitmarsh left as well - he's too close to RD and continues that McLaren culture of deceit...

What worries me though is if Mercedes pulls out, what will happen with Haug? I'd really like him to run McLaren soon. But maybe that (pulling out) would open the door for him to take over because he wouldn't be on Mercedes' leash anymore (or could divorce himself from them as they divorce themselves from McLaren)?

So..what your saying is..

You'd like to see Haug (and Merc) take over Mclaren completely and it become Mercades F1

Not going to happy sorry.

Either that or a more complete renewal of McLaren from within with Haug at the helm.

[McLaren Fan]

Another strange series of comments from DD on this thread. First, it is highly unlikely Whitmarsh was actively involved in Ryan and Hamilton's lying. Indeed, McLaren's press release at the time even said that Hamilton was asked to allow Trulli to re-pass. If Whitmarsh were conniving, I would not have expected to see this. Whitmarsh's crime is not deception, but non-existent management. He allowed Ryan to deal with the stewards but didn't think to ask him how the meeting went. And as if that weren't bad enough, he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the situation until it was much, much too late. Whitmarsh is likeable guy, but he's not management material. The continued panegyric for Haug is also odd, as he was on the pitwall and would have been privy to what was going on leading up to the lie itself. To not even question his involvement or levels of knowledge in the affair clearly shows that DD's concern with attacking McLaren. It's rather pathetic.

[darwin dali]

Another strange series of comments from DD on this thread. First, it is highly unlikely Whitmarsh was actively involved in Ryan and Hamilton's lying. Indeed, McLaren's press release at the time even said that Hamilton was asked to allow Trulli to re-pass. If Whitmarsh were conniving, I would not have expected to see this. Whitmarsh's crime is not deception, but non-existent management. He allowed Ryan to deal with the stewards but didn't think to ask him how the meeting went. And as if that weren't bad enough, he failed to appreciate the seriousness of the situation until it was much, much too late. Whitmarsh is likeable guy, but he's not management material. The continued panegyric for Haug is also odd, as he was on the pitwall and would have been privy to what was going on leading up to the lie itself. To not even question his involvement or levels of knowledge in the affair clearly shows that DD's concern with attacking McLaren. It's rather pathetic.

Fact remains that Whitmarsh be it through ineptitude (as you claim) or otherwise continues to foster McLaren's old ways that get them into hot water.
Haug is not involved in McLaren's day-to-day operations - he clearly stated that in that interview "But the crucial functions of the team are not engaged by Mercedes". And I believe him.

[McLaren Fan]

Are you sure it's not just some form of almost infinite regression to justify your dislike of McLaren? If Whitmarsh did leave the team, you then target Neale, then Lowe, then Oatley, then Fry, then Goss...

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble Friday, April 24th 2009, 08:47 GMT

Mercedes-Benz remains as committed to its Formula 1 future as it can be amid the current worldwide economic difficulties, claims its motorsport boss Norbert Haug.

There has been widespread speculation in German media this week that Mercedes-Benz could withdraw from F1 if McLaren is punished heavily in next week's FIA World Motor Sport Council.

However, Haug says that he has had assurances from his chiefs in Stuttgart that the company has every intention of remaining in the sport.

He does concede, though, that the current financial problems being faced by car manufacturers worldwide means there is no guarantee of the situation remaining unchanged indefinitely.

"Some people have suggested that Mercedes are pulling out of F1. No, Mercedes is not pulling out," Haug told AUTOSPORT in the paddock at the Bahrain Grand Prix.

"Of course, everybody who is honest is considering the situation, and that is it. We have confirmation, and I am happy about that, for our activities - but do we have that indefinitely until whenever.

"I cannot say what is happening in the car industry in the next two, three, four or six months – whether the climate gets better. But if you sell more cars, then certainly you are in a better situation."

Haug believes that the bigger issue for Mercedes-Benz is not the fallout from the McLaren lying controversy, but where F1's rules go in the next few years – especially with the possibility of a budget cap being introduced.

"Currently, it is absolutely business as usual," added Haug. "The interpretation of the media is that if you have an FIA hearing – then they say that the future is in doubt. But the general view, and one that we need to all be aware of, is the general economic situation with the automobile industry, and especially the banks, makes it tough at the moment.

"When I have been asked to guarantee that we will be here for five years, then it is not possible. But, the bigger picture is that if we can find a set of rules, be it limits or a budget cap, something that is feasible, then that will help.

"It needs FOTA and the FIA to cooperate and come together in the middle – and this is a serious situation. There is no room for manoeuvring and playing games. Instead of discussing diffusers, KERS in or KERS out, all the stakeholders need to think about the bigger picture. Behind closed doors we are working on that, but that is the fundamental issue."

[EwanM]

Backers cautious amid McLaren scandals – Whitmarsh
Team looking for a fresh start following latest scandal
25/04/09 18:49


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 4945.shtml

McLaren Mercedes Team Principal Martin Whitmarsh on Saturday admitted that scandals past and present would give the team's sponsors pause to evaluate their commitment.

So soon after the 'spy-gate' affair and $100m penalty of 2007, McLaren is now gripped in 'lie-gate', triggered by Lewis Hamilton and sacked team manager Dave Ryan lying to the stewards in Australia and then a few days later in Malaysia.

It has been reported not only that Mercedes-Benz is questioning its commitment ahead of the World Motor Sport Council meeting next Wednesday, but that the same is also true of key corporate backers.

"You would expect in these times any of our sponsors to be prudent about what they're doing," Whitmarsh said in Bahrain on Saturday. "No one can commit to being with us for many, many years beyond their existing contracts. We're realistic in that regard. We need to do a better job in all sorts of departments.

"

There is a feeling inside the Sakhir paddock that, in light of the recent scandals and negative headlines, McLaren is angling for a new start.

F1 regulars have commented upon McLaren's different approach in Bahrain, including a drinks bar and contemporary music around the team's designated hospitality building here.

"We have to try to be better in many ways. There is no revolution going on here, but there is evolution. We need to be more accessible, more frank and open," Whitmarsh continued.

"We should reflect more on the positive aspects of this sport perhaps a bit more than we have in the past."

E.A. © CAPSIS International
Source: GMM