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[scotty]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, however there's some non-official footage of trulli's offroad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGuS2PxZEE
Hamilton slowing down happened later on and is not on the video.
Funnily enough Glock went off track at the same turn. Cold tyres?

By the way, nice forum you have here

Nice post. Now, Hamilton goes past Trulli and about 20 seconds later Vettel comes past, so i think it's safe to say Hamilton passed him after the accident. Question is, how long did it take for the safety car to be deployed? It wasn't that long at all was it? This will be a close call either way...

Also, you see Alonso pass Vettel in that clip, who was still in the race... technically. Shouldn't Alonso get a penalty as well?

[southern cross]

I wonder if the FIA will use that?

But of course! They're always keen to admit their errors, don't they?

I'd say Jarno 3rd, Lewis 4th, as well.
They both drove beautifully, and penalising JT somehow takes away a bit of the positive aura of this amazing race.
I don't know what to say about the McLaren team erratic decisions (first let JT pass by, then complain about it) however this, added up with Spa 08 and some other occasions, show that the rules need to be more straight-forward.
Can't they have a teams-stewards direct connection, just to make it simpler?

[southern cross]

Nice post. Now, Hamilton goes past Trulli and about 20 seconds later Vettel comes past, so i think it's safe to say Hamilton passed him after the accident. Question is, how long did it take for the safety car to be deployed? It wasn't that long at all was it? This will be a close call either way...

Also, you see Alonso pass Vettel in that clip, who was still in the race... technically. Shouldn't Alonso get a penalty as well?

You're right! Let's keep the penalties rollin'

[EwanM]

Nice post. Now, Hamilton goes past Trulli and about 20 seconds later Vettel comes past, so i think it's safe to say Hamilton passed him after the accident. Question is, how long did it take for the safety car to be deployed? It wasn't that long at all was it? This will be a close call either way...

Also, you see Alonso pass Vettel in that clip, who was still in the race... technically. Shouldn't Alonso get a penalty as well?

You're right! Let's keep the penalties rollin'

[Gaz]

Trulli drove off the track.

P3 Ham P4 Trulli

[Ste L]

as above..

trulli made the first mistake by going off...

so if hamilton, didn't let him over take, he would be still be in 4th,


so 3rd ham, 4th trulli

[bud]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, however there's some non-official footage of trulli's offroad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGuS2PxZEE
Hamilton slowing down happened later on and is not on the video.
Funnily enough Glock went off track at the same turn. Cold tyres?

By the way, nice forum you have here

thats where i was sitting.

[EwanM]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, however there's some non-official footage of trulli's offroad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGuS2PxZEE
Hamilton slowing down happened later on and is not on the video.
Funnily enough Glock went off track at the same turn. Cold tyres?

By the way, nice forum you have here

thats where i was sitting.

Was it you recording... or do you know who it was...?
If so you could be part of the FIA's "extensive" investigation...

[McLaren Fan]

The footage settles the matter for me. Trulli was off track, so Hamilton was not obliged to stop. If McLaren asked Hamilton to let Trulli back again, that was no doubt down to the team's paranoia about being shafted out of a great result once again by the FIA. Hamilton should keep third, but Trulli should be reinstated as fourth.

[darwin dali]

The footage settles the matter for me. Trulli was off track, so Hamilton was not obliged to stop. If McLaren asked Hamilton to let Trulli back again, that was no doubt down to the team's paranoia about being shafted of a great result once again by the FIA. Hamilton should keep third, but Trulli should be reinstated as fourth.

Where's the logic here? If McLaren told LH to let JT by, JT passed legally and shouldn't have been penalized, thus 3rd place. If LH slowed down for other reasons, then JT's account bears weight, i.e., it appeared to him that LH was in trouble and so he legally passed him, thus 3rd place again.
For me it's either 3rd or 12th for JT (accepting the unappealable 25 s demotion). There's no scenario where 4th makes sense logically.

[McLaren Fan]

The footage settles the matter for me. Trulli was off track, so Hamilton was not obliged to stop. If McLaren asked Hamilton to let Trulli back again, that was no doubt down to the team's paranoia about being shafted of a great result once again by the FIA. Hamilton should keep third, but Trulli should be reinstated as fourth.

Where's the logic here? If McLaren told LH to let JT by, JT passed legally and shouldn't have been penalized, thus 3rd place. If LH slowed down for other reasons, then JT's account bears weight, i.e., it appeared to him that LH was in trouble and so he legally passed him, thus 3rd place again.
For me it's either 3rd or 12th for JT (accepting the unappealable 25 s demotion). There's no scenario where 4th makes sense logically.

Because if McLaren asked Hamilton to move aside, lest there be any regulation infractions because of the FIA's vendetta against the team and that the sporting regulations aren't very clear on the matter anyway. It's not doing things strictly by the book, but it's the common sense and moral solution.

[darwin dali]

The footage settles the matter for me. Trulli was off track, so Hamilton was not obliged to stop. If McLaren asked Hamilton to let Trulli back again, that was no doubt down to the team's paranoia about being shafted of a great result once again by the FIA. Hamilton should keep third, but Trulli should be reinstated as fourth.

Where's the logic here? If McLaren told LH to let JT by, JT passed legally and shouldn't have been penalized, thus 3rd place. If LH slowed down for other reasons, then JT's account bears weight, i.e., it appeared to him that LH was in trouble and so he legally passed him, thus 3rd place again.
For me it's either 3rd or 12th for JT (accepting the unappealable 25 s demotion). There's no scenario where 4th makes sense logically.

Because if McLaren asked Hamilton to move aside, lest there be any regulation infractions because of the FIA's vendetta against the team and that the sporting regulations aren't very clear on the matter anyway. It's not doing things strictly by the book, but it's the common sense and moral solution.

But the fact is that JT passed LH for third. Either that pass was legal and so he should be classified third or this pass was still legal, but penalized by the stewards with 25 s, thus 12th place. To put him behind LH on fourth has no logical grounding because that would still be a penalty, a demotion by one place (what kind of penalty is that anyway - not common at all) - and a penalty for what then? Either it was legal or not. Are you advocating a penalty for being 'a bit' illegal? Like a bit pregnant?

[McLaren Fan]

No. What I'm saying is Trulli went off the track and rightly found himself in fourth place. The FIA's regulations, stewards and motivations - as ever - were unclear, to be on the safe side, Hamilton let Trulli back into third, which indications now suggest was unnecessary. Trulli's pass was legal, yes, but it would never have taken place if the FIA were a credible institution. So, the sporting thing is to acknowledge Trulli has nobody but himself to blame for going off track and has no claim on third place.

[Hanwombat]

Ham Third
Trulli 12th

and I like Toyota

[f1ea]

Trulli 3rd
Lewis 4th

Then all teams should penalise the FIA for being stupid and unclear during the 1st SC.