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[Frosty]

Brawn
Toyota
Williams
Red Bull
BMW
Ferrari
Renault
McLaren
Toro Rosso
Force India

[7UpJordan]

I'd say;

Brawn
Williams
Toyota
Red Bull
BMW (Kubica)
Ferrari
BMW (Heidfeld)
McLaren
Renault
Force India
Toro Rosso

I think the top 3 with their diffusers will have a bigger advantage at Sepang.

[Denthúl]

I'd say;

Brawn
Williams
Toyota
Red Bull
BMW (Kubica)
Ferrari
BMW (Heidfeld)
McLaren
Renault
Force India
Toro Rosso

I think the top 3 with their diffusers will have a bigger advantage at Sepang.

Yes. Certainly Toyota. There are question marks over Williams, but I think they'll prove the doubters wrong and perform well at the more aero-dependent circuits.

[Griff]

I would say there is just about nothing between the Toyota and the Williams. I also think that no real judgement about wether the KERS or non KERS BMW is better as Heidfeld had an awful race.
Not so sure about what will happen at Sepang with a lot of people saying its a KERS circuit we could see the McLarens and Ferraris quite a bit higher then Aus

[Denthúl]

I would say there is just about nothing between the Toyota and the Williams. I also think that no real judgement about wether the KERS or non KERS BMW is better as Heidfeld had an awful race.
Not so sure about what will happen at Sepang with a lot of people saying its a KERS circuit we could see the McLarens and Ferraris quite a bit higher then Aus

I don't think Australia is a good way of comparing the KERS car of Heidfeld with the non-KERS car of Kubica. Heidfeld was punted off the track at the very first corner and had to drive around for the entire race with a damaged car after pitting to replace a punctured tyre. And still held people off using his KERS system. Malaysia (if RK doesn't run KERS) will be a better comparison.

[scotty]

Brawn

Toyota/Williams/RB

Ferrari/BMW

Renault/McLaren

STR/Force India

[cap-dude]

The results show that Brawn has the best car followed by

Mclaren then Toyota but obviously this isn't the case.

Base on Qualifying an Race pace what do you think the standing is at the moment?

I think its

Brawn
Red Bull
Toyota
BWM
Williams
Mclaren
Ferrari
Renault
Torro Rosso
Force India

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Blind patriotism is so funny

Brawn (Will be even stronger now)
Toyota (They were fuel a lot heavier than everyone else and still managed 5th. Plus they're always stronger in Sepang. They're a serious threat)
Ferrari/Williams/BMW/Red Bull (It's battle royal, these 4 teams were separated by about 3 tenths during Q2. That's seriously close
Renault (The car looks worse than in testing)
McLaren (will be worse after Oz when they get to more aerodynamic
Toro Rosso (I think this car has more pace than we think. They could even sneak close to McLaren judging by the RB5's pace)
Force India (Poor guys are moving forward, but so is everyone else)
Piquet

[Gaz]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Blind patriotism is so funny

Brawn (Will be even stronger now)
Toyota (They were fuel a lot heavier than everyone else and still managed 5th. Plus they're always stronger in Sepang. They're a serious threat)
Ferrari/Williams/BMW/Red Bull (It's battle royal, these 4 teams were separated by about 3 tenths during Q2. That's seriously close
Renault (The car looks worse than in testing)
McLaren (will be worse after Oz when they get to more aerodynamic
Toro Rosso (I think this car has more pace than we think. They could even sneak close to McLaren judging by the RB5's pace)
Force India (Poor guys are moving forward, but so is everyone else)
Piquet

Sorry but when LH came out of the pits he got ahead of Massa and Massa had nothing for him.

Lewis also overtook Alonso.

[Denthúl]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Thanks for illustrating this, cap-dude

I think it's a little bit silly to compare the pace of Lewis only to Massa in order to gain an idea of whether the Ferrari or McLaren is faster. If you omit Raikkonen's times, the McLaren was marginally faster. But if you factor Raikkonen's in, the McLaren was a fair bit slower. Raikkonen set lap times in the 1:28 range (a string of seven consecutive 1:28s) whereas Hamilton never made it in to the 1:28s all afternoon.

Interestingly, Sutil's race pace was better than Lewis' and certainly consistent, yet he didn't make it in to the points (albeit only by two (one if you're on Trulli's side) places). I reckon that if the FI had KERS then it would be the superior package at the moment. They should try to get it for Malaysia.

[Gaz]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Thanks for illustrating this, cap-dude

I think it's a little bit silly to compare the pace of Lewis only to Massa in order to gain an idea of whether the Ferrari or McLaren is faster. If you omit Raikkonen's times, the McLaren was marginally faster. But if you factor Raikkonen's in, the McLaren was a fair bit slower. Raikkonen set lap times in the 1:28 range (a string of seven consecutive 1:28s) whereas Hamilton never made it in to the 1:28s all afternoon.

Interestingly, Sutil's race pace was better than Lewis' and certainly consistent, yet he didn't make it in to the points (albeit only by two (one if you're on Trulli's side) places). I reckon that if the FI had KERS then it would be the superior package at the moment. They should try to get it for Malaysia.

Yeh but i'm looking at race pace also.

I think the Mclaren is SLIGHTLY better based on the fact the Kers is better.

also faster in some sectors if i'm not mistaken?

[Denthúl]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Thanks for illustrating this, cap-dude

I think it's a little bit silly to compare the pace of Lewis only to Massa in order to gain an idea of whether the Ferrari or McLaren is faster. If you omit Raikkonen's times, the McLaren was marginally faster. But if you factor Raikkonen's in, the McLaren was a fair bit slower. Raikkonen set lap times in the 1:28 range (a string of seven consecutive 1:28s) whereas Hamilton never made it in to the 1:28s all afternoon.

Interestingly, Sutil's race pace was better than Lewis' and certainly consistent, yet he didn't make it in to the points (albeit only by two (one if you're on Trulli's side) places). I reckon that if the FI had KERS then it would be the superior package at the moment. They should try to get it for Malaysia.

Yeh but i'm looking at race pace also.

I think the Mclaren is SLIGHTLY better based on the fact the Kers is better.

also faster in some sectors if i'm not mistaken?

Raikkonen's (and to a lesser degree, Sutil's) race pace was better. The main reason that Lewis made it further up the field than Kimi was that Kimi started on the softer tyres and lost ground.

[EwanM]

Lewis did not overtake Alonso. That was Piquet.
Alonso was behind both of them after the first corner melee.

[Gaz]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Thanks for illustrating this, cap-dude

I think it's a little bit silly to compare the pace of Lewis only to Massa in order to gain an idea of whether the Ferrari or McLaren is faster. If you omit Raikkonen's times, the McLaren was marginally faster. But if you factor Raikkonen's in, the McLaren was a fair bit slower. Raikkonen set lap times in the 1:28 range (a string of seven consecutive 1:28s) whereas Hamilton never made it in to the 1:28s all afternoon.

Interestingly, Sutil's race pace was better than Lewis' and certainly consistent, yet he didn't make it in to the points (albeit only by two (one if you're on Trulli's side) places). I reckon that if the FI had KERS then it would be the superior package at the moment. They should try to get it for Malaysia.

Yeh but i'm looking at race pace also.

I think the Mclaren is SLIGHTLY better based on the fact the Kers is better.

also faster in some sectors if i'm not mistaken?

Raikkonen's (and to a lesser degree, Sutil's) race pace was better. The main reason that Lewis made it further up the field than Kimi was that Kimi started on the softer tyres and lost ground.

Lewis also started on the softs.

[f1ea]

From what i saw in Australia and generaly speaking:

1. Brawn
2. Toyota
3. Kubica's non KERS BMW
4. Vettel's Red Bull
5. Williams
6. Ferrari
7. Renault
8. Mclaren
9. Toro Rosso
10. Force India

HOWEVER this yr tyres are much more important. So the way the driver is able to keep them and tune the car to behave well with both compounds is crucial. I feel Williams are actually faster than they could show, but due to circumstances and set up / tires could not really develop their race pace. Mclaren is not actually as fast as the result Lewis got. He just had a very good race and avoided mistakes, plus Mclaren made a perfect strategy. Of course, Lewis was pretty lucky too...

But to me, its all about the double diffuser.

[racechick]

I think Mclaren are slightly ahead of Ferrari and Renault based on race pace of Lewis against Massa and Alonso i think the Kers system of Mclaren is better even if the car isn't

Thanks for illustrating this, cap-dude

I think it's a little bit silly to compare the pace of Lewis only to Massa in order to gain an idea of whether the Ferrari or McLaren is faster. If you omit Raikkonen's times, the McLaren was marginally faster. But if you factor Raikkonen's in, the McLaren was a fair bit slower. Raikkonen set lap times in the 1:28 range (a string of seven consecutive 1:28s) whereas Hamilton never made it in to the 1:28s all afternoon.

Interestingly, Sutil's race pace was better than Lewis' and certainly consistent, yet he didn't make it in to the points (albeit only by two (one if you're on Trulli's side) places). I reckon that if the FI had KERS then it would be the superior package at the moment. They should try to get it for Malaysia.

Yeh but i'm looking at race pace also.

I think the Mclaren is SLIGHTLY better based on the fact the Kers is better.

also faster in some sectors if i'm not mistaken?

Raikkonen's (and to a lesser degree, Sutil's) race pace was better. The main reason that Lewis made it further up the field than Kimi was that Kimi started on the softer tyres and lost ground.

Lewis also started on the softs.

Yeah thats what I was thinking!!!Good strategy, I predicted that was Lewis' best option Smug git arent i!