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By Jensonb
#98564
I stick by my assessment in the chat, sloppy driving and unbelievable recklessness on both men's part. Particularly Vettel, circulating on 3 wheels.

Two drivers I usually quite like as well - Kubica is beaten only by Jens and Rubens for me.
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By Versa-Tech
#98565
What a moron! He could have waited another lap and take SV on a straight - SV's supersoft tires were already shot. :banghead::banghead:
And then the fashion RK did try to overtake - almost like DC in his best or worst days. And not leaving any room for SV whatsoever :banghead::banghead:
:censored::censored:

Absolutely GUTTED :banghead::crying:

I would also like to add BARRICHELLO you :censored: that first corner collision was stupid, unnecessary and your fault.

It wasn't Rubens fault he got rear ended by Kovalainen which pushed him into the other cars. Both SV and RK were to blame 50/50 for what happened in the later collision.
Bullsh*t! Where was Vettel supposed to go?! Kubica was the only one at fault.
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By Denthúl
#98585
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?
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By Jensonb
#98588
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault

Surely the fine is for the fiasco afterwards when he was illegally circulating on 3 wheels?
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By bmwpower
#98591
What a moron! He could have waited another lap and take SV on a straight - SV's supersoft tires were already shot. :banghead::banghead:
And then the fashion RK did try to overtake - almost like DC in his best or worst days. And not leaving any room for SV whatsoever :banghead::banghead:
:censored::censored:


Yes, Kubica should have waited another lap because he was faster..but then again, Vettel should have let him pass because he was slower. Both are to blame but if you read the BMW site, Dr. Theissen said he didn't want Robert to wait because time was ticking because they believed that Robert would have caught up to Jenson. Their goal wasn't to sit behind another lap and fight for 3rd or 2nd. One thing I am suprised is how fast the BMW is with the harder compound, Willy Ramp and Robert said they know how good the BMW is with the harder compound so they saved it for the end and they new how bad the softer compound is for the Vettel and Button. Great race.
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By Jensonb
#98593
What a moron! He could have waited another lap and take SV on a straight - SV's supersoft tires were already shot. :banghead::banghead:
And then the fashion RK did try to overtake - almost like DC in his best or worst days. And not leaving any room for SV whatsoever :banghead::banghead:
:censored::censored:


Yes, Kubica should have waited another lap because he was faster..but then again, Vettel should have let him pass because he was slower. Both are to blame but if you read the BMW site, Dr. Theissen said he didn't want Robert to wait because time was ticking because they believed that Robert would have caught up to Jenson. Their goal wasn't to sit behind another lap and fight for 3rd or 2nd. One thing I am suprised is how fast the BMW is with the harder compound, Willy Ramp and Robert said they know how good the BMW is with the harder compound so they saved it for the end and they new how bad the harder compound is for the Vettel and Button. Great race.

It was the soft that Vettel and Button were on. But the point roughly still stands.
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By McLaren Fan
#98594
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?

Good point actually. When you think about it, there were several big safety concerns this weekend. First, BMW should be told to look into why Kubica's wheels were able to fly off. One of them may even have glanced off his head. That has echoes of 1st May 1994... Second, after Nakajima's accident, the safety was a long time being deployed, especially given there were no cranes handy to remove the stricken car, and a tyre was lying in the middle in the middle of the track (I think as result of Nakajima's crash, but it could have been Kubica's. I can't recall).
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By bmwpower
#98597
I couldn't give a damn what anyone says. Kubica made a suicide dive at the apex of the turn. Vettel couldn't have done anything to avoid the collision. He was at the acceleration point. If he would have braked, he would have slid into kubica. If he would have accelerated (as he did), he still would have (and did) hit kubica. If Vettel would have simply lifted his heels, he would have lost traction and still hit Kubica. It was entirely Kubica's fault. As soon as Kubica dived in, Vettel was screwed. That's all there is to it. If there are any other drivers with formula experience out there, feel free to challenge my assessment. However, I doubt they will. This was a textbook example of exactly what not to do.


Dive?? go back and watch it on your DVR please.
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By Denthúl
#98599
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?

Good point actually. When you think about it, there were several big safety concerns this weekend. First, BMW should be told to look into why Kubica's wheels were able to fly off. One of them may even have glanced off his head. That has echoes of 1st May 1994... Second, after Nakajima's accident, the safety was a long time being deployed, especially given there were no cranes handy to remove the stricken car, and a tyre was lying in the middle in the middle of the track (I think as result of Nakajima's crash, but it could have been Kubica's. I can't recall).


Indeed. It's entirely possible that the section to which the wheel was tethered was broken off in the accident - there was a lot of that car lying on the circuit. And the wheel was from Nakajima's crash; Kubica's was much later on.
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By Jensonb
#98601
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?

Good point actually. When you think about it, there were several big safety concerns this weekend. First, BMW should be told to look into why Kubica's wheels were able to fly off. One of them may even have glanced off his head. That has echoes of 1st May 1994... Second, after Nakajima's accident, the safety was a long time being deployed, especially given there were no cranes handy to remove the stricken car, and a tyre was lying in the middle in the middle of the track (I think as result of Nakajima's crash, but it could have been Kubica's. I can't recall).

Yep, Safety Car 1 was far too long, causing Piquet's spin even.

BMW may get a fine for those wheels
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By Denthúl
#98614
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?

Good point actually. When you think about it, there were several big safety concerns this weekend. First, BMW should be told to look into why Kubica's wheels were able to fly off. One of them may even have glanced off his head. That has echoes of 1st May 1994... Second, after Nakajima's accident, the safety was a long time being deployed, especially given there were no cranes handy to remove the stricken car, and a tyre was lying in the middle in the middle of the track (I think as result of Nakajima's crash, but it could have been Kubica's. I can't recall).


Just watched a replay of Kubica hitting the wall and it looks like the force of the impact actually removed the left-front suspension from the car completely. I assume that the wheel tethers are attached to some part of that, so it does explain why it came off. However, that then means that the display of fragility warrants an investigation.
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By Jensonb
#98616
SV fined $50k so stewards felt he was at fault


Any mention of being penalised for driving around on three wheels for two laps?

Good point actually. When you think about it, there were several big safety concerns this weekend. First, BMW should be told to look into why Kubica's wheels were able to fly off. One of them may even have glanced off his head. That has echoes of 1st May 1994... Second, after Nakajima's accident, the safety was a long time being deployed, especially given there were no cranes handy to remove the stricken car, and a tyre was lying in the middle in the middle of the track (I think as result of Nakajima's crash, but it could have been Kubica's. I can't recall).


Just watched a replay of Kubica hitting the wall and it looks like the force of the impact actually removed the left-front suspension from the car completely. I assume that the wheel tethers are attached to some part of that, so it does explain why it came off. However, that then means that the display of fragility warrants an investigation.

It's not the first time we've seen BMW suspension shatter on impact.
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