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By Denthúl
#76897
Kovalainen has underperformed; that's not Dennis' fault. I just laugh anyway, for if Renault were to remain in Formula One for the next two hundred years, they'd still never match the personal achievements of Ron Dennis. :wavey:


You know? That comment is pretty much as bad as the stuff that AKR comes out with about how Ferrari are so great and how Dennis and McLaren are nothing. Well done! :)

Well, it's true, even though I was not referring directly to McLaren. The fact is McLaren are a great team with a wonderful history, founded by the legendary Bruce McLaren. Had he not been killed in 1970, the team would have had a road car business going etc.. Sadly, his plans for his team died with him. Renault, on the other hand, jumped back into Formula One for publicity purposes.

Dealing with Ron Dennis more specifically, he started off from the bottom as a mechanic, going through all the junior formulae before moving on to Formula One. In every category in which his cars raced, they were successful and his teams contributed a lot to the series. His track record in Formula One speaks for itself. Anybody who can boast to having oversaw more Grands Prix victories than Enzo Ferrari, Sir Frank Williams and Colin Chapman has a hell of a lot to proud of.


Your implications are rather arrogant, to be honest. They're great achievements, no doubt, but you cannot say that others will never surpass them. In addition, as a collective, it is harder to match the achievements of an individual, because there is always a lack of consistency. Ron Dennis will always be Ron Dennis, but the people that make up Renault will constantly be changing. That said, in two hundred years, they could do plenty to go further than Ron Dennis.

And so what if they returned to the sport for publicity? They've proved that they're racers, and that was the case before they left the sport, too. They've powered teams to championships with their engines, and won two for themselves recently. Renault have plenty of history of their own, you know :)
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By 8-ball
#76936
Kovalainen has underperformed; that's not Dennis' fault. I just laugh anyway, for if Renault were to remain in Formula One for the next two hundred years, they'd still never match the personal achievements of Ron Dennis. :wavey:


You know? That comment is pretty much as bad as the stuff that AKR comes out with about how Ferrari are so great and how Dennis and McLaren are nothing. Well done! :)

Well, it's true, even though I was not referring directly to McLaren. The fact is McLaren are a great team with a wonderful history, founded by the legendary Bruce McLaren. Had he not been killed in 1970, the team would have had a road car business going etc.. Sadly, his plans for his team died with him. Renault, on the other hand, jumped back into Formula One for publicity purposes.

Dealing with Ron Dennis more specifically, he started off from the bottom as a mechanic, going through all the junior formulae before moving on to Formula One. In every category in which his cars raced, they were successful and his teams contributed a lot to the series. His track record in Formula One speaks for itself. Anybody who can boast to having oversaw more Grands Prix victories than Enzo Ferrari, Sir Frank Williams and Colin Chapman has a hell of a lot to proud of.


Your implications are rather arrogant, to be honest. They're great achievements, no doubt, but you cannot say that others will never surpass them. In addition, as a collective, it is harder to match the achievements of an individual, because there is always a lack of consistency. Ron Dennis will always be Ron Dennis, but the people that make up Renault will constantly be changing. That said, in two hundred years, they could do plenty to go further than Ron Dennis.

And so what if they returned to the sport for publicity? They've proved that they're racers, and that was the case before they left the sport, too. They've powered teams to championships with their engines, and won two for themselves recently. Renault have plenty of history of their own, you know :)


Records are meant to be broken as Michael Schumacher always says. :yes:
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By Denthúl
#76938
Kovalainen has underperformed; that's not Dennis' fault. I just laugh anyway, for if Renault were to remain in Formula One for the next two hundred years, they'd still never match the personal achievements of Ron Dennis. :wavey:


You know? That comment is pretty much as bad as the stuff that AKR comes out with about how Ferrari are so great and how Dennis and McLaren are nothing. Well done! :)

Well, it's true, even though I was not referring directly to McLaren. The fact is McLaren are a great team with a wonderful history, founded by the legendary Bruce McLaren. Had he not been killed in 1970, the team would have had a road car business going etc.. Sadly, his plans for his team died with him. Renault, on the other hand, jumped back into Formula One for publicity purposes.

Dealing with Ron Dennis more specifically, he started off from the bottom as a mechanic, going through all the junior formulae before moving on to Formula One. In every category in which his cars raced, they were successful and his teams contributed a lot to the series. His track record in Formula One speaks for itself. Anybody who can boast to having oversaw more Grands Prix victories than Enzo Ferrari, Sir Frank Williams and Colin Chapman has a hell of a lot to proud of.


Your implications are rather arrogant, to be honest. They're great achievements, no doubt, but you cannot say that others will never surpass them. In addition, as a collective, it is harder to match the achievements of an individual, because there is always a lack of consistency. Ron Dennis will always be Ron Dennis, but the people that make up Renault will constantly be changing. That said, in two hundred years, they could do plenty to go further than Ron Dennis.

And so what if they returned to the sport for publicity? They've proved that they're racers, and that was the case before they left the sport, too. They've powered teams to championships with their engines, and won two for themselves recently. Renault have plenty of history of their own, you know :)


Records are meant to be broken as Michael Schumacher always says. :yes:


I agree with him on that one. :)
#76949
Your implications are rather arrogant, to be honest. They're great achievements, no doubt, but you cannot say that others will never surpass them. In addition, as a collective, it is harder to match the achievements of an individual, because there is always a lack of consistency. Ron Dennis will always be Ron Dennis, but the people that make up Renault will constantly be changing. That said, in two hundred years, they could do plenty to go further than Ron Dennis.

And so what if they returned to the sport for publicity? They've proved that they're racers, and that was the case before they left the sport, too. They've powered teams to championships with their engines, and won two for themselves recently. Renault have plenty of history of their own, you know :)

It is possible that somebody working for Renault may surpass Ron Dennis' record, true, but you've got to look at what lies underneath those statistics, as it were. Enzo Ferrari and Frank Williams started their own Formula One teams, and Ron Dennis basically did. McLaren's turn around of fortunes in the early 1980s has to be greatest turn around for a team before or since. Somebody running Renault's Formula One operations, however, will be there because a fat-cat in Paris appointed him and left him charge of millions of Euros to run a pre-existing team. But that's what I really mean to debate, and nor do I not recognise Renault's pedigree in Formula One. KyrosV's contemptuous post got exactly the contemptuous reply it desperately deserved. I'm not shy of discussing issues in Formula One, but what does frustrate me is people coming with their usual bitter anti-McLaren and anti-Ron Dennis vitriol, which has no grounding whatsoever.
#76953
Kovalainen has underperformed; that's not Dennis' fault. I just laugh anyway, for if Renault were to remain in Formula One for the next two hundred years, they'd still never match the personal achievements of Ron Dennis. :wavey:



:thumbup::wavey:
#76965
KyrosV's contemptuous post got exactly the contemptuous reply it desperately deserved. I'm not shy of discussing issues in Formula One, but what does frustrate me is people coming with their usual bitter anti-McLaren and anti-Ron Dennis vitriol, which has no grounding whatsoever.


Chris, you're NOT the King of this forum to decide what is contemptuous and deserves what kind of treatment and you are certainly NOT above the forum guidelines which clearly state 'to respect the views of other people and debate such views constructively. Those who persist in using threatening or insulting behaviour will be thrown in a very sticky sin bin.' Just a friendly reminder to not use inappropriate language and to sort out frustrations and other personal issues via pm (or mods/admin).
Thank you,
DD, Forum Queen :wink:
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By headless
#76967
I'm the king of everything.

headless - forum upstart
#76975
I'm the king of everything.

headless - forum upstart

Mmmm, sounds tempting - wanna be my little king? :whip::whip::twisted:
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By headless
#76978
Cheers for the offer, I'll think about it.
#76982
Cheers for the offer, I'll think about it.

Just outta curiosity: w/o your head, where's your brain to think about the offer? :P:twisted:
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By headless
#76983
I don't think with my brain. I never did.
#76992
Just a friendly reminder to not use inappropriate language and to sort out frustrations and other personal issues via pm (or mods/admin).

Fair enough. I'm not afraid to admit I went over the top and was in the wrong; so, I publicly extend my apologies to KyrosV for calling him what I did: KyrosV, I'm sorry.

That said, this isn't one-way traffic, as it were. Is it possible for KyrosV (et al.) to stop being allowed from deliberately making inflammatory and slanderous remarks on the forum? As I said before, I welcome debate, but this issue (amongst others) has been discussed time and again on here, so KyrosV is well aware of what he is doing.
#76999
Just a friendly reminder to not use inappropriate language and to sort out frustrations and other personal issues via pm (or mods/admin).

Fair enough. I'm not afraid to admit I went over the top and was in the wrong; so, I publicly extend my apologies to KyrosV for calling him what I did: KyrosV, I'm sorry.

That said, this isn't one-way traffic, as it were. Is it possible for KyrosV (et al.) to stop being allowed from deliberately making inflammatory and slanderous remarks on the forum? As I said before, I welcome debate, but this issue (amongst others) has been discussed time and again on here, so KyrosV is well aware of what he is doing.


Well, if we'd prohibit such posts (as long as they are not personally insulting, etc.) then we might as well shut down this forum. As you said, it's not a one-way traffic and there are many members on the 'other side' of the divide that post equally inflammatory and/or slanderous stuff.
It's about how one reacts to such posts, i.e., do it smartly, wittily or whatever floats your boat to neutralize the impact. :thumbup:
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By KyrosV
#77032
Just a friendly reminder to not use inappropriate language and to sort out frustrations and other personal issues via pm (or mods/admin).

Fair enough. I'm not afraid to admit I went over the top and was in the wrong; so, I publicly extend my apologies to KyrosV for calling him what I did: KyrosV, I'm sorry.

That said, this isn't one-way traffic, as it were. Is it possible for KyrosV (et al.) to stop being allowed from deliberately making inflammatory and slanderous remarks on the forum? As I said before, I welcome debate, but this issue (amongst others) has been discussed time and again on here, so KyrosV is well aware of what he is doing.


Apology Accepted, and please, call me Kyros (like Cairo).

But im not going to change my views. As im free to say what the hell I like within reason. but if your talking about slandarous remarks then you can stop with the anti-renault remarks because what goes around, comes around. Im not anti-Mclaren, I just dont agree with your thinking of the sun shines out off mclarens :censored:. So your the biggest hypocrite when it comes to inflammatory remarks. We all support F1 here but you dont have to look down on us just because we see it your way chris!

Peace.

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