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[racechick]

As for Kimi's response in the post race interview for the Chinese GP...that was a classic F1 moment.

Do you mean that embarassing smile when asked about letting Massa through?

Thats the one. But I dont think it was embarrasing, not by Kimmi. Dont think he cud give a monkeys how things look. Massa was the one who looked embarrassed.

[Reckless Rat]

I think they should both be penalised for 'Failing to Race' and Ferarri stripped of their points for ordering the strategy. That would rattle 'em.

[Denthúl]

I think they should both be penalised for 'Failing to Race' and Ferarri stripped of their points for ordering the strategy. That would rattle 'em.

That's a brilliant idea! We could penalise everyone who doesn't overtake in a race to give more incentive to pass the cars in front and stop the races becoming processional!

[racechick]

I think they should both be penalised for 'Failing to Race' and Ferarri stripped of their points for ordering the strategy. That would rattle 'em.

That's a brilliant idea! We could penalise everyone who doesn't overtake in a race to give more incentive to pass the cars in front and stop the races becoming processional!

But then when they do overtake yo can penalise them for a reckless move!

[Denthúl]

I think they should both be penalised for 'Failing to Race' and Ferarri stripped of their points for ordering the strategy. That would rattle 'em.

That's a brilliant idea! We could penalise everyone who doesn't overtake in a race to give more incentive to pass the cars in front and stop the races becoming processional!

But then when they do overtake yo can penalise them for a reckless move!

The stewards would never get bored!

[MAD MAX]

My (ahem) I mean my 10 yr old nephews F1 scalextric was more exciting that the race on Sunday. Anyway lets hope Ron doesn't get caught burgling Ferarri's H.Q before Brazil, we wouldn't want another problem of getting in the way for Lewis

[Reckless Rat]

I was being serious. This decision by Ferrari that Raikkonen should give the position to Massa just so he could get more points degrades the whole point of the sport. It was the same when Barrichello did it for Schumacher. It makes a mockery of it. People pay good money to watch the racing, not for their day to be artificially manipulated by internal political shenanigans by team members.

If I wanted to watch a load of borlax I'd watch WWF Wrestling.

[Denthúl]

I was being serious. This decision by Ferrari that Raikkonen should give the position to Massa just so he could get more points degrades the whole point of the sport. It was the same when Barrichello did it for Schumacher. It makes a mockery of it. People pay good money to watch the racing, not for their day to be artificially manipulated by internal political shenanigans by team members.

If I wanted to watch a load of borlax I'd watch WWF Wrestling.

It's nothing like when Barrichello was made to move over for Schumacher. That was early on in the championship where Barrichello had a chance of winning it, whereas this is the penultimate round and Raikkonen has no chance of winning it. I don't particularly like it, but it's acceptable.

[MAD MAX]

If I wanted to watch a load of borlax I'd watch WWF Wrestling.

Or X-Factor.....Good point Rekkers, The engine management systems would have shown Kimi taking his foot off otherwise Felippe would never have caught him, makes it a bit of a farce

[csrracer]

In your little world is the slower car supposed to hold up the faster team mate?

This wasn't the case at all. Kimi was way faster than Massa during the entire race. Massa wasn't the faster car at all. He was behind Kimi because he was slower and he remained slower for the entire event. Therefore, it wasn't at all a situation of a slower car holding up a faster car. It was a situation of a guy with no chance at the championship being ahead of a guy with a real shot at it, and nothing more. Again, and I can't stress this enough, Massa was the slower teammate here. He wasn't being held up by Kimi at all.

To clarify, I'm not sitting here condemning the position swap. Team orders have always been part of F1 and the rule forbidding them is ridiculous. Ferrari shouldn't have to put on theatrics to make it appear that the pass was simply an issue of Massa managing to catch up with Kimi and pass him, and no other team in this situation should have to resort to theatrics either, whether it was McLaren, BMW, Red Bull, or whoever. We all knew the switch had to happen and we all knew it was going to happen, and it was the logical move to make, and there shouldn't be a rule prohibiting team orders for it.

I liked the comments about it while watching it on Speed. I got a few laughs from the sarcastic enthusiasm over Massa's miraculous overtaking.

I think you quoted me out of context I was replying to jsonf1 who was saying it was wrong for HK to let LH go through, when it was obvious that LH was much faster. (More undeserved Mclaren bashing)
I don't think the rule has ever been enforced, and I don't think it should ever be enforced, it's a stupid rule. If Any team wants one driver to pull over, then let them pull over, The teams are the ones spending the money and if they choose their number one driver before the season ever starts, then that's their own business.

[jsonf1]

In your little world is the slower car supposed to hold up the faster team mate?

This wasn't the case at all. Kimi was way faster than Massa during the entire race. Massa wasn't the faster car at all. He was behind Kimi because he was slower and he remained slower for the entire event. Therefore, it wasn't at all a situation of a slower car holding up a faster car. It was a situation of a guy with no chance at the championship being ahead of a guy with a real shot at it, and nothing more. Again, and I can't stress this enough, Massa was the slower teammate here. He wasn't being held up by Kimi at all.

To clarify, I'm not sitting here condemning the position swap. Team orders have always been part of F1 and the rule forbidding them is ridiculous. Ferrari shouldn't have to put on theatrics to make it appear that the pass was simply an issue of Massa managing to catch up with Kimi and pass him, and no other team in this situation should have to resort to theatrics either, whether it was McLaren, BMW, Red Bull, or whoever. We all knew the switch had to happen and we all knew it was going to happen, and it was the logical move to make, and there shouldn't be a rule prohibiting team orders for it.

I liked the comments about it while watching it on Speed. I got a few laughs from the sarcastic enthusiasm over Massa's miraculous overtaking.

I think you quoted me out of context I was replying to jsonf1 who was saying it was wrong for HK to let LH go through, when it was obvious that LH was much faster. (More undeserved Mclaren bashing)
I don't think the rule has ever been enforced, and I don't think it should ever be enforced, it's a stupid rule. If Any team wants one driver to pull over, then let them pull over, The teams are the ones spending the money and if they choose their number one driver before the season ever starts, then that's their own business.

Then why was Heikki so mad about it? Right after the race the first comments he gave was something like "Why am I not allowed to race?". Ofcourse after a short chat with Ron, Heikki felt completely different for some reason

[Denthúl]

In your little world is the slower car supposed to hold up the faster team mate?

This wasn't the case at all. Kimi was way faster than Massa during the entire race. Massa wasn't the faster car at all. He was behind Kimi because he was slower and he remained slower for the entire event. Therefore, it wasn't at all a situation of a slower car holding up a faster car. It was a situation of a guy with no chance at the championship being ahead of a guy with a real shot at it, and nothing more. Again, and I can't stress this enough, Massa was the slower teammate here. He wasn't being held up by Kimi at all.

To clarify, I'm not sitting here condemning the position swap. Team orders have always been part of F1 and the rule forbidding them is ridiculous. Ferrari shouldn't have to put on theatrics to make it appear that the pass was simply an issue of Massa managing to catch up with Kimi and pass him, and no other team in this situation should have to resort to theatrics either, whether it was McLaren, BMW, Red Bull, or whoever. We all knew the switch had to happen and we all knew it was going to happen, and it was the logical move to make, and there shouldn't be a rule prohibiting team orders for it.

I liked the comments about it while watching it on Speed. I got a few laughs from the sarcastic enthusiasm over Massa's miraculous overtaking.

I think you quoted me out of context I was replying to jsonf1 who was saying it was wrong for HK to let LH go through, when it was obvious that LH was much faster. (More undeserved Mclaren bashing)
I don't think the rule has ever been enforced, and I don't think it should ever be enforced, it's a stupid rule. If Any team wants one driver to pull over, then let them pull over, The teams are the ones spending the money and if they choose their number one driver before the season ever starts, then that's their own business.

Then why was Heikki so mad about it? Right after the race the first comments he gave was something like "Why am I not allowed to race?". Ofcourse after a short chat with Ron, Heikki felt completely different for some reason

Link to that? I have to say, I pay a lot of attention to Heikki so I can't really understand how I'd have missed that.

[jsonf1]

In your little world is the slower car supposed to hold up the faster team mate?

This wasn't the case at all. Kimi was way faster than Massa during the entire race. Massa wasn't the faster car at all. He was behind Kimi because he was slower and he remained slower for the entire event. Therefore, it wasn't at all a situation of a slower car holding up a faster car. It was a situation of a guy with no chance at the championship being ahead of a guy with a real shot at it, and nothing more. Again, and I can't stress this enough, Massa was the slower teammate here. He wasn't being held up by Kimi at all.

To clarify, I'm not sitting here condemning the position swap. Team orders have always been part of F1 and the rule forbidding them is ridiculous. Ferrari shouldn't have to put on theatrics to make it appear that the pass was simply an issue of Massa managing to catch up with Kimi and pass him, and no other team in this situation should have to resort to theatrics either, whether it was McLaren, BMW, Red Bull, or whoever. We all knew the switch had to happen and we all knew it was going to happen, and it was the logical move to make, and there shouldn't be a rule prohibiting team orders for it.

I liked the comments about it while watching it on Speed. I got a few laughs from the sarcastic enthusiasm over Massa's miraculous overtaking.

I think you quoted me out of context I was replying to jsonf1 who was saying it was wrong for HK to let LH go through, when it was obvious that LH was much faster. (More undeserved Mclaren bashing)
I don't think the rule has ever been enforced, and I don't think it should ever be enforced, it's a stupid rule. If Any team wants one driver to pull over, then let them pull over, The teams are the ones spending the money and if they choose their number one driver before the season ever starts, then that's their own business.

Then why was Heikki so mad about it? Right after the race the first comments he gave was something like "Why am I not allowed to race?". Ofcourse after a short chat with Ron, Heikki felt completely different for some reason

Link to that? I have to say, I pay a lot of attention to Heikki so I can't really understand how I'd have missed that.

Seems like you don´t pay enough of attention to it. As a Finn I have 2 drivers who I read about in the newspaper nearly everyday, Still remember how swetty Heikki was when he gave his comments about the race This was right after the race and 5 minutes later it seemed like Heikki forgot all about that. And trust me, if you want to compete about who knows more about Heikki or Kimi the the show is ON

[Denthúl]

In your little world is the slower car supposed to hold up the faster team mate?

This wasn't the case at all. Kimi was way faster than Massa during the entire race. Massa wasn't the faster car at all. He was behind Kimi because he was slower and he remained slower for the entire event. Therefore, it wasn't at all a situation of a slower car holding up a faster car. It was a situation of a guy with no chance at the championship being ahead of a guy with a real shot at it, and nothing more. Again, and I can't stress this enough, Massa was the slower teammate here. He wasn't being held up by Kimi at all.

To clarify, I'm not sitting here condemning the position swap. Team orders have always been part of F1 and the rule forbidding them is ridiculous. Ferrari shouldn't have to put on theatrics to make it appear that the pass was simply an issue of Massa managing to catch up with Kimi and pass him, and no other team in this situation should have to resort to theatrics either, whether it was McLaren, BMW, Red Bull, or whoever. We all knew the switch had to happen and we all knew it was going to happen, and it was the logical move to make, and there shouldn't be a rule prohibiting team orders for it.

I liked the comments about it while watching it on Speed. I got a few laughs from the sarcastic enthusiasm over Massa's miraculous overtaking.

I think you quoted me out of context I was replying to jsonf1 who was saying it was wrong for HK to let LH go through, when it was obvious that LH was much faster. (More undeserved Mclaren bashing)
I don't think the rule has ever been enforced, and I don't think it should ever be enforced, it's a stupid rule. If Any team wants one driver to pull over, then let them pull over, The teams are the ones spending the money and if they choose their number one driver before the season ever starts, then that's their own business.

Then why was Heikki so mad about it? Right after the race the first comments he gave was something like "Why am I not allowed to race?". Ofcourse after a short chat with Ron, Heikki felt completely different for some reason

Link to that? I have to say, I pay a lot of attention to Heikki so I can't really understand how I'd have missed that.

Seems like you don´t pay enough of attention to it. As a Finn I have 2 drivers who I read about in the newspaper nearly everyday, Still remember how swetty Heikki was when he gave his comments about the race This was right after the race and 5 minutes later it seemed like Heikki forgot all about that. And trust me, if you want to compete about who knows more about Heikki or Kimi the the show is ON

Well, you have the instant advantage - I can't read Finnish newspapers! I just see lots of double-vowels and letters with a pair of dots above them (don't remember the name)

[jsonf1]

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