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#73296
After the first discussions:

Qualifying point on agenda for 2009

By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 17th 2008, 05:36 GMT

Formula One could begin awarding a world championship point for the fastest time in second qualifying and move to three-race engines next year if radical proposals put forward to team principals for consideration are ratified, autosport.com has learned.

A series of discussions have taken place in China this weekend in the working groups of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) to consider how the sport could be made better.

And although these discussions are only the first stage in the lengthy process of trying to create new rules, there already appears to be some consensus about which ideas will be taken forward to FOTA's executive committee.

The proposals will need approval from the committee, which is comprised of team principals, before they are then put forward to the FIA for final sign-off.

It is understood that one of the most radical ideas that has met with support at the working group stage is for a world championship point to be awarded to the quickest driver in Q2.

Several other major championships, including GP2, give points for pole positions but the idea has never been adopted by F1 up until now. The only time the F1 world championship has offered points beyond race finishes was from 1950 to 1959 when a single point was offered for fastest lap.

Sources have also revealed that there has been support for a move to three-race engines, which will help brings the costs down for car manufacturers as well as making drivetrain deals cheaper for independent teams.

Teams are also close to agreeing on a further reduction in testing - down from the current 30,000 kilometre limit to 20,000 kilometres. Teams will be allowed four separate days for inexperienced drivers.

During the season teams will only be allowed to bring one car to each test, although in pre-season testing teams will still be allowed to run two cars.

Moves are also being made to improve the show for both television spectators and those at the track. Drivers could be required to attend special autograph sessions that take place in the pit lane on Fridays, while a special television 'sin bin' may be set up where drivers and team members will be required to attend following their exclusion from qualifying or their retirement from the race.

Further talks in the working groups are also scheduled to take place on whether or not fuel loads on cars are released to the general public, either on the Fridays of events or post-qualifying – to help make the sport easier to understand.

Discussions are also to continue on the idea of reducing the length of races down to 250 kilometres, or a maximum time of 90 minutes.

Although the current focus is on making changes for next year, teams have agreed that it would be better for them to conduct proper market research to better understand what the public wants and what will help make the sport more popular in the longer term.

The teams have decided against introducing a ban on refuelling.

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I like the sound of extending the life of engines etc. for longer. This would definitely decrease costs and challenge the engineers. With other measures along these lines there is no reason why we should ever have to have standardised parts in Formula One. I also think that giving out one point for pole position could be interesting. Okay, pole position does not mean you are the fastest driver necessarily nowadays, but it does have an impact on race strategy. A team would have to weigh up the pros and cons of how much the prioritise qualifying and the race itself. I don't like the idea of telling viewers how much fuel the drivers have on board. That will remove one of the unknown things that help to make races exciting. Further, it's not tricky to understand. What really needs to happen is for more timing information etc. to be made available to viewers. What I would like to see full live-timing screens etc.



It's not for pole position that they want to give a point, it's for the fastest time in Q2, which makes more sense anyway...
#73301
It's not for pole position that they want to give a point, it's for the fastest time in Q2, which makes more sense anyway...

Ah, wishful thinking. :blush: I can see why they would do that, but the reward for being the fastest car or driver comes in the race itself, and it wouldn't make the show more interesting, so I'm not such a supporter of this idea, then. A point for pole position in Q3 would make things more interesting strategically, in my opinion anyway.
#73370
The main issue is cars only used to rev to 13-15k now its 18-19k the difference in fuel consumption at those revs is staggering.

If they want to be fuel economical (as they keep blaring on about) lowering revs and lenghtening gear ratios would go a long way to bringin back overtaking, and mix up strategies for the next 10 years again , just as pit stops did 15 years ago.


I agree with you that the rev limits should be lowered, for fuel economy reasons primarily, but also the fact that the engines sounded so much more awesome when they only went to about 15, 16000 rpm. :thumbup:
#73374
The main issue is cars only used to rev to 13-15k now its 18-19k the difference in fuel consumption at those revs is staggering.

If they want to be fuel economical (as they keep blaring on about) lowering revs and lenghtening gear ratios would go a long way to bringin back overtaking, and mix up strategies for the next 10 years again , just as pit stops did 15 years ago.


I agree with you that the rev limits should be lowered, for fuel economy reasons primarily, but also the fact that the engines sounded so much more awesome when they only went to about 15, 16000 rpm. :thumbup:

Once up to around 18, 19 or even 20Krmp they start to sound pretty whiny so yes I thought they sounded better at around 11, 12, 13, 14K.
#73498
Come to think of it, a point for the fastest lap in the race would be better than for quali. Even if you're P1 in the race you can try to get the fastest lap for a maximum result rather than easing off and just bringing the car home.

What really needs to happen is for more timing information etc. to be made available to viewers. What I would like to see full live-timing screens etc.

Are you thinking of TV viewers? Because I know many people that don't watch a race without the live timing from F1.com turned on. Although I still think it's not enough. I'd like to be able to see and compare all lap times for all drivers just like some other fan site do it (with the charts and all) after the race.
#73773
Come to think of it, a point for the fastest lap in the race would be better than for quali. Even if you're P1 in the race you can try to get the fastest lap for a maximum result rather than easing off and just bringing the car home.

What really needs to happen is for more timing information etc. to be made available to viewers. What I would like to see full live-timing screens etc.

Are you thinking of TV viewers? Because I know many people that don't watch a race without the live timing from F1.com turned on. Although I still think it's not enough. I'd like to be able to see and compare all lap times for all drivers just like some other fan site do it (with the charts and all) after the race.

I don't have wireless internet in my flat, so I can't watch the race with live timing on. But that's the point for me anyway, for I would like to see more information on drivers' lap times on the television screen anyway.
#73794
Come to think of it, a point for the fastest lap in the race would be better than for quali. Even if you're P1 in the race you can try to get the fastest lap for a maximum result rather than easing off and just bringing the car home.

What really needs to happen is for more timing information etc. to be made available to viewers. What I would like to see full live-timing screens etc.

Are you thinking of TV viewers? Because I know many people that don't watch a race without the live timing from F1.com turned on. Although I still think it's not enough. I'd like to be able to see and compare all lap times for all drivers just like some other fan site do it (with the charts and all) after the race.

I don't have wireless internet in my flat, so I can't watch the race with live timing on. But that's the point for me anyway, for I would like to see more information on drivers' lap times on the television screen anyway.


There are plans for the BBC to do that also onboard footage etc.. with freeview
#73797
Out of interest, could one of the more "mature" members on here give me an idea of the length of races they had before refuelling was introduced? I only started following F1 properly around '94 so don't have a memory of races before refuelling was introduced.
#73801
Out of interest, could one of the more "mature" members on here give me an idea of the length of races they had before refuelling was introduced? I only started following F1 properly around '94 so don't have a memory of races before refuelling was introduced.


I belive the races were the same lenght for the most part and most teams stopped once but it was Ecclestones Brabham Team that tried two stopping because they worked out it was more efficient because of the reduced weight.
#74587
From F1 Live:

Ferrari test driver Marc Gene admits he does not think proposals to ban refuelling during pitstops is a good idea.

It is believed the FOTA alliance of F1 teams in Shanghai discussed the topic, with some figures arguing that banning refuelling would make race strategies less complicated, as well as make the sport safer.

"I think refuelling in F1 is good for the show," Ferrari test driver Marc Gene retorted, "because it means strategies can be quite varied."

"There are some people who think that if there was no refuelling, drivers would have to do their overtaking on the track rather than in the pits," he acknowledged in a question-and-answer session with the Spanish newspaper Sport.

Banning refuelling ahead of the 2009 season would be difficult, as the fundamentals of next year's cars - including fuel tank size - have all now been fixed.

McLaren CEO Martin Whitmarsh said: "We will have them (pitstops) as part of the show next year and we should then decide during the course of the year whether we can change the regulations in the future."

Source: GMM
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Cars should be made more fuel efficient and there should be fuel limits, but refueling should not be banned! :hammer:

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