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#56494
Car not quick enough, lukewarm performances from both drivers. What's going on?


It's too early to say whether there is a "problem" at Ferrari, but there are some question marks. I think the main issue for them is McLaren have developed their car very well and substantially lifted its baseline performance. Ferrari fans are used to having a few tenths in their pocket but now that's not the case. I wonder if Ferrari are trying to re-establish performance parity with McLaren through set up changes, and are "reaching" beyond the baseline performance of the car and going backwards. In this regard I don't think it helps that none of Raikkonen, Massa, Gene or Badoer seem to be really top-of-the-class car developers. Who knows, it could all go the other way at the next race. Positive signs for Ferrari at Hockenheim were its fantastic top speed, the fact that Torro Rosso outperformed Red Bull, and the F2008's ability to use the softer tyre, illustrating the quality of, respectively, its aero-elasticity, engine and tyre-usage.

Question marks are: will the team go all out to develop the baseline performance of the F2008 over the off season? I wonder if they want it as much as McLaren. Development of the entirely new 2009 car (KERS, slicks, drastically different aero) will be a big resources drain and a lot of the work needed on the F2008 will be money thrown away for 2009. Is Ferrari up to spending whatever it takes, having already proven they're still winners post-Schumacher? Is Raikkonen up to the task of harnessing the team's resources and developing the car? He's no Schumacher in this regard, but I don't doubt his desire to be double world champion. Just perhaps his off track abilities. Time will tell.
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By f1usa
#56511
Car not quick enough, lukewarm performances from both drivers. What's going on?

I'm surprised Ferrari hasn't blamed the Microsoft/MES ECU again, for their performance problems.
#56532
Car not quick enough, lukewarm performances from both drivers. What's going on?

I'm surprised Ferrari hasn't blamed the Microsoft/MES ECU again, for their performance problems.

I'm surprised that we've heard nothing about the standard ECU. Perhaps we'll start to hear some complaints soon, just as we did at the start of the season.
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By nikon133
#56661
massa couldnt even be bothered/have the ability to keep up with piquet at the end,

hamiltons desire to win at the end is impressive


Heck, even I would have went to the inside to defend. Poor by Massa. Piquet did the right thing.
Renault need the result, and tht car is a dog. I can't believe the lack of traction in the car. It never been tht good since they lost the J damper

Alonso would be champion in a Ferrari. But im gonna say Lewis will be champion this year. Unless something crazy happens. I dnt hate Kimi or Massa, but i've said this long enough, they arent in the same league now.


I think Kimi was doing even worst this time last year, didn't he?

Ferrari will bounce back and we'll have nails-biting finale.

(Me hope)

Of course, if Lewis keeps on like this without loosing his nerve and McLaren keeps their performance edge... but AKR told us Ferrari has best car, team and drivers, so it can't be that easy :wink:
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By nikon133
#56665
Felipe Massa is what's wrong at Ferrari!

He beat Kimmi and he nearly got pole.


Well, there is the thing... Kimi was complaining not being able to tune car all the way, while Massa looked very competitive with his wheels... however, his race was kind of lackluster. Specially finish.

Somehow I have feeling if Kimi had Massa's car performance, he'd fight much harder. I'm not saying it would change outcome, but that is not the point - I see Massa as person who easily gets discouraged and gives up, and that is not champion quality... and this race pretty much shows that side of his, in my eyes at least.
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By texasmr2
#56666
I see Massa as person who easily gets discouraged and gives up, and that is not champion quality... and this race pretty much shows that side of his, in my eyes at least.

You are not the only person with that opinion. :wink:
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By welshie
#56669
I see Massa as person who easily gets discouraged and gives up, and that is not champion quality... and this race pretty much shows that side of his, in my eyes at least.

You are not the only person with that opinion. :wink:


He's done a fair job of reaching F1 if he's easily discouraged then!! I don't really think their is much wrong at Ferrari, they just haven't made as much development as the other teams. I have no doubt they will kick-on again soon . . . . and I don't even like Ferrari!!
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By texasmr2
#56672
I'm just very critical when my team has the equipment to dominate but does not produce the result's they are capable of so who should be blamed? Maybe not the driver's at this point but maybe the leadership and top strategist, please help me figure it out, I'm so alone and confused!!! :hehe:
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By welshie
#56676
I'm just very critical when my team has the equipment to dominate but does not produce the result's they are capable of so who should be blamed? Maybe not the driver's at this point but maybe the leadership and top strategist, please help me figure it out, I'm so alone and confused!!! :hehe:


The days of the dominant Ferrari are over, and it's for the good of the sport i'm afraid tex.
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By texasmr2
#56698
I'm just very critical when my team has the equipment to dominate but does not produce the result's they are capable of so who should be blamed? Maybe not the driver's at this point but maybe the leadership and top strategist, please help me figure it out, I'm so alone and confused!!! :hehe:


The days of the dominant Ferrari are over, and it's for the good of the sport i'm afraid tex.

I have no problem with Ferrari not dominating because if you remember I have been there with them through the bad time's aswell as the good time's. I ALWAY'S want Ferrari to win but guess who was an adament supporter of Senna, yelling at the TV for him to win or hold on for one more lap, as my team languished mid-pack?
#56699
I see Massa as person who easily gets discouraged and gives up, and that is not champion quality... and this race pretty much shows that side of his, in my eyes at least.

You are not the only person with that opinion. :wink:


You guys forget about the underlying problem FM had: overheating brakes.
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By texasmr2
#56701
I hope the team can come together and findout why they have had the sub-par race result's as of late.
By Mikep99
#56735
Ferrari have been caught on the hope but I think they will be back.
Kimi will do the job if given a competitive car but I don't think Massa has what it takes. He does not have the mental toughness required.
#56809
Ferrari have been caught on the hope but I think they will be back.
Kimi will do the job if given a competitive car but I don't think Massa has what it takes. He does not have the mental toughness required.


His engineer is helping him loads on that front.
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By 8-ball
#56811
Well clearly it's not working. Massa has been in Ferrari since 2006 and is running out of excuses

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