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By texasmr2
#48304
Either way, Lewis would have finished this race with no points because if Kimi hadn't been there, chances are he'd have rolled through a red light.

I would have to say your right.
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By Jensonb
#48352
The repositioning of everybody in the right spot after such a pit stop could be a daunting task and take a while, maybe could even be cause for incidents itself due to miscommunication as to who is to peel off, etc. It would be like a tightly choreographed dance - who's to be the director?

It would also be unfair if a pit crew stuffs up or a driver stalls in the pit and their stop takes forever, let's say 45 seconds. They would still be allowed to take their place in the snake? Not if you ask me!


they do it now with driver being allowed to unlap themselves! the race director orchestrates it. and with the ecu they could easily introduce a small led telling what position they are in during a sc

and pit stops would be nullified there would be no need to rush it as the race has been called off and restarted so to speak! in theory you could get away with filling to the end say 20 laps into an average GP without losing track position but at the peril of your own laptimes!



That's one or two drivers to unlap and it's just getting them out of the pack in front of the SC - that task doesn't compare to the dance that would ensue with 5, 10, 15 cars having to find their proper place in the snake.

In Monaco they were unlapping 5 or so cars at once ofcourse they didnt all go at the same time, whiting gave the ok for each car. 5 cars a lap, that would be 4 laps behind the safety car that is not un heard of even now!

Thing is Bud, the idea of them shaking back out into the same order they were in before the Safety Car was deployed is both impractical and unfair, it nullifies strategy and would make the races less exciting.

The pitlane should not be closed, we already use a system of checking the driver's time through the sector with the yellow flags in it, use that same system for a yellow flag/SC incident. Simple.

The red light is fine though
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By Jensonb
#48620
haha unfair????? a safety car deployment isnt unfair either???

No, that's just the way it is. You're proposing something completely artificial.
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By przemo
#48632
I don't see how the drivers can make a pitstop and return in their original positions to the pack. The drivers that don't want to make a stop lose big time. It would always be better to pit and imagine all 20 drivers going into the pit at the same time, accidents like in Canada would be fairly common I think. The safety car deployment already causes the gaps between the drivers developed through the race to be nullified, which is another problem for strategists, but I don't see a possibility to regain their distance. And if you count in the pistops, there's no way to measure driver's possible gap after that. There's no ultimate solution here I think, but to make them stop at the track in their current positions, which is impractical at least.
By al4x
#48648
Thing is Bud, the idea of them shaking back out into the same order they were in before the Safety Car was deployed is both impractical and unfair, it nullifies strategy and would make the races less exciting.

The pitlane should not be closed, we already use a system of checking the driver's time through the sector with the yellow flags in it, use that same system for a yellow flag/SC incident. Simple.

The red light is fine though


completely agree, red light is fine
pit lane shouldnt be closed, then not so many would come in
kimi not to bleme,
lewis and mclaren total fault
if kimi wasnt there ham would have been out and gone, so penalty anyway
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By rhyscoles
#48708
What about the rule when a driver is aloud to unlap them selves under the safety car. I think that is stupid because
a) the whole point in the safety car is to slow the field down and if someone is speeding through its dangerois
b) They deserve to be lapped, its not fair
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By darwin dali
#48722
What about the rule when a driver is aloud to unlap them selves under the safety car. I think that is stupid because
a) the whole point in the safety car is to slow the field down and if someone is speeding through its dangerois
b) They deserve to be lapped, its not fair


That's actually a good rule - it gets those backmarkers out of the way and the race when restarted is just between the front runners without moving barriers in between.
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By rhyscoles
#48735
What about the rule when a driver is aloud to unlap them selves under the safety car. I think that is stupid because
a) the whole point in the safety car is to slow the field down and if someone is speeding through its dangerois
b) They deserve to be lapped, its not fair


That's actually a good rule - it gets those backmarkers out of the way and the race when restarted is just between the front runners without moving barriers in between.


I understand that but in Monaco it benefited Heiki unfairly and he ended up getting a point. They should fall to the back rather that the front.
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By darwin dali
#48741
What about the rule when a driver is aloud to unlap them selves under the safety car. I think that is stupid because
a) the whole point in the safety car is to slow the field down and if someone is speeding through its dangerois
b) They deserve to be lapped, its not fair


That's actually a good rule - it gets those backmarkers out of the way and the race when restarted is just between the front runners without moving barriers in between.


I understand that but in Monaco it benefited Heiki unfairly and he ended up getting a point. They should fall to the back rather that the front.


Huh? They do fall to the back when they unlap themselves. What are you smoking?
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By f1ea
#48929
Now looky here:

More details about the planned test of potentially-revised Safety Car rules have emerged.

It was reported recently that the new system for the deployment of the Safety Car will be trialled during practice - probably the afternoon session on Friday and also Saturday morning - for the French Grand Prix next week.

The current SC rules are highly controversial, because the automatic closure of the pitlane upon deployment can penalise those drivers who are out of fuel and need to pit.

It was claimed that the proposed new rules will involve some special software for each car's standard ECU.

Renault's sporting manager Steve Nielsen reveals that, instead of finding the pitlane closed, drivers will now be required to record a minimum lap time for the first tour after deployment of the SC. It is rumoured that the minimum lap time will be 20 per cent slower than the average time from free practice.

"He will get a time displayed on his dash, which he is not to go faster than.

They then have five seconds to press a confirm button to show that they've seen the signal and from that stage onwards they're governed by the target lap time. That will ensure that all the cars go at a relatively slow speed," Nielsen told the team's official podcast.

However, he warned team bosses against rushing into actually applying the new rule too soon.

Nielsen said the Magny Cours trial "is purely an experiment to demonstrate to the drivers how the system will work."

"And if that's successful we will then go on and incorporate it into the rules as a proper regulation. Honestly, I think it's something that should perhaps be done for 2009," he added.
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By McLaren Fan
#48974
It would've been handy to have had the rule tested at Canada, given the number of times the safety car appears there, but there you go.
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By f1ea
#49032
It would've been handy to have had the rule tested at Canada, given the number of times the safety car appears there, but there you go.


But I think they are planning to introduce it for 2009, so it wouldn't have made any difference if they tried it in Montreal. Right now the only want to give it a test...
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By darwin dali
#49034
Now looky here:

More details about the planned test of potentially-revised Safety Car rules have emerged.

It was reported recently that the new system for the deployment of the Safety Car will be trialled during practice - probably the afternoon session on Friday and also Saturday morning - for the French Grand Prix next week.

The current SC rules are highly controversial, because the automatic closure of the pitlane upon deployment can penalise those drivers who are out of fuel and need to pit.

It was claimed that the proposed new rules will involve some special software for each car's standard ECU.

Renault's sporting manager Steve Nielsen reveals that, instead of finding the pitlane closed, drivers will now be required to record a minimum lap time for the first tour after deployment of the SC. It is rumoured that the minimum lap time will be 20 per cent slower than the average time from free practice.

"He will get a time displayed on his dash, which he is not to go faster than.

They then have five seconds to press a confirm button to show that they've seen the signal and from that stage onwards they're governed by the target lap time. That will ensure that all the cars go at a relatively slow speed," Nielsen told the team's official podcast.

However, he warned team bosses against rushing into actually applying the new rule too soon.

Nielsen said the Magny Cours trial "is purely an experiment to demonstrate to the drivers how the system will work."

"And if that's successful we will then go on and incorporate it into the rules as a proper regulation. Honestly, I think it's something that should perhaps be done for 2009," he added.


What happens if a driver does not confirm within 5 seconds?
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By racechick
#49050
Now looky here:

More details about the planned test of potentially-revised Safety Car rules have emerged.

It was reported recently that the new system for the deployment of the Safety Car will be trialled during practice - probably the afternoon session on Friday and also Saturday morning - for the French Grand Prix next week.

The current SC rules are highly controversial, because the automatic closure of the pitlane upon deployment can penalise those drivers who are out of fuel and need to pit.

It was claimed that the proposed new rules will involve some special software for each car's standard ECU.

Renault's sporting manager Steve Nielsen reveals that, instead of finding the pitlane closed, drivers will now be required to record a minimum lap time for the first tour after deployment of the SC. It is rumoured that the minimum lap time will be 20 per cent slower than the average time from free practice.

"He will get a time displayed on his dash, which he is not to go faster than.

They then have five seconds to press a confirm button to show that they've seen the signal and from that stage onwards they're governed by the target lap time. That will ensure that all the cars go at a relatively slow speed," Nielsen told the team's official podcast.

However, he warned team bosses against rushing into actually applying the new rule too soon.

Nielsen said the Magny Cours trial "is purely an experiment to demonstrate to the drivers how the system will work."

"And if that's successful we will then go on and incorporate it into the rules as a proper regulation. Honestly, I think it's something that should perhaps be done for 2009," he added.


What happens if a driver does not confirm within 5 seconds?


They will either spontaneously combust, implode, or be forced to dine with max mosely after the race :lol::lol:

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