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[McLaren Fan]

Point number5 is nonsensical. You can pick random events from any of the drivers and list them, I can think of loads.
Taking the point of the tyres, Lewis does not decide to "chew uo his tyres". It is a combination of his driving style, the tyres and the McLaren. Changing Lewis' driving style is probably the least effective way to remedy the problem. you think McLaren and Bridgestone wont be working on this?? And when they sort it this easy ride you think kimi is going to have will not be so easy. Lewis is the fastest on the hard tyres, just wait til the softs are sorted. Kimi better not take too many of his 'absent' days then!

It IS LH who's got the problem with the tires, it's not the tires and not McLaren - see HK, he doesn't have this problem or at least it's not as bad at all. I think LH will have to adapt his driving style or get McLaren to completely change the car development to accommodate his style (which could pose a problem for HK). Plus I doubt they can find a fix for both types of tires - the problem is so severe that it might have to be either or, either the hard(er) tires work for LH or the softer ones do, but not both at the same time. Unless that is, LH actually changes his driving style and starts to race with his brain rather than his sausage gone wild.

As far as I'm concerned, Lewis Hamilton is a professional racing driver in the most prestigious form of motorsport on the planet and is getting paid millions. He, therefore, should have to adapt his driving style, and if he can't, he is in the wrong, not McLaren. He's had the winter and parts of last season to practise and we are nearing the sixth Grand Prix of the season, so Hamilton should be getting a handle on this problem, after all, according to James Allen and various others, he's Ayrton Senna reincarnated. Overall, I do think the MP4-23 is slightly more harsh on its tyres than the Ferraris, but Hamilton's driving style is clearly exacerbating the issue, as events in Turkey show. McLaren probably need to look at the issue slightly, but only that. Tailoring the car for Hamilton's needs, save being a work-up and grossly immoral towards Kovalainen, would be to the team's detriment as a whole, which is completely unacceptable.

[bud]

why change his style now when they are going to slicks, he will shine on slicks with his aggressive style

it was only turn 8 thats the problem so for the rest of the season he will be fine.

[darwin dali]

why change his style now when they are going to slicks, he will shine on slicks with his aggressive style

it was only turn 8 thats the problem so for the rest of the season he will be fine.

You wouldn't want him to write off this season and wait for the slicks, would you? If he's such a brilliant driver as many are making him out to be, then it shouldn't be a problem at all for him to adapt to the current car/tires and then switch back next season...

And going back (somewhat) to the topic: NH also has problems with his tires for the opposite reasons: his smooth driving style makes it hard for him to get the tires up to temp during quali, hence his poor quali performance compared to RK - BMW Sauber are looking into this and surely NH will have to change his style a bit.

[bud]

why change his style now when they are going to slicks, he will shine on slicks with his aggressive style

it was only turn 8 thats the problem so for the rest of the season he will be fine.

You wouldn't want him to write off this season and wait for the slicks, would you? If he's such a brilliant driver as many are making him out to be, then it shouldn't be a problem at all for him to adapt to the current car/tires and then switch back next season...

[racechick]

Point number5 is nonsensical. You can pick random events from any of the drivers and list them, I can think of loads.
Taking the point of the tyres, Lewis does not decide to "chew uo his tyres". It is a combination of his driving style, the tyres and the McLaren. Changing Lewis' driving style is probably the least effective way to remedy the problem. you think McLaren and Bridgestone wont be working on this?? And when they sort it this easy ride you think kimi is going to have will not be so easy. Lewis is the fastest on the hard tyres, just wait til the softs are sorted. Kimi better not take too many of his 'absent' days then!

It IS LH who's got the problem with the tires, it's not the tires and not McLaren - see HK, he doesn't have this problem or at least it's not as bad at all. I think LH will have to adapt his driving style or get McLaren to completely change the car development to accommodate his style (which could pose a problem for HK). Plus I doubt they can find a fix for both types of tires - the problem is so severe that it might have to be either or, either the hard(er) tires work for LH or the softer ones do, but not both at the same time. Unless that is, LH actually changes his driving style and starts to race with his brain rather than his sausage gone wild.

Yes Lewis' driving style causes the problem or exhasperates it but it is his style and it is fast. I dont think McLaren will go down the route of two seperate develpments, they did that with Kimi and Juan and im pretty sure they said they wouldnt do so again(might be wrong). Im sure they will find a compromise that does not require Lewis to change his style or the car to be develloped in two different ways.
"Driving with his sausage gone wild" LOL I love that expression! I'll remember that. He may be driving with his sausage gone wild but he uses his brain as well. As Bud said it was only really a problem in that long turn 8. I love to watch him drive and would hate him to loose his exciting style and become a boring driver.

[McLaren Fan]

I don't see how a small tweak to Hamilton's driving style will make him a 'boring driver'. Kovalainen is doing a better job at looking after his tyres and he is not a boring driver. I would not like to see two simultaneous developments at McLaren. It didn't work last time round, and the team's resources would be better used towards making the car go generally faster. If Hamilton can't adapt, then he's not doing what he is being paid to do and is not up to scratch. I'm getting fed up with spice boy Formula One drivers. I'd love to see the likes of Senna and Prost at their peak driving today. They would get on with job and there would be a lot less complaining, I'll tell you that much.

[darwin dali]

I'm getting fed up with spice boy Formula One drivers. I'd love to see the likes of Senna and Prost at their peak driving today. They would get on with job and there would be a lot less complaining, I'll tell you that much.

I miss MS

[darwin dali]

"Driving with his sausage gone wild" LOL I love that expression! I'll remember that. He may be driving with his sausage gone wild but he uses his brain as well. As Bud said it was only really a problem in that long turn 8. I love to watch him drive and would hate him to loose his exciting style and become a boring driver.

I meant that in more than one way. I think he's getting too distracted by money/new endorsements (with his daddy being the driving force) and girls (he's a young man). Nothing wrong with enjoying life as an F1 driver, but to become a great don't look further than to the dedication and focus of an MS or AP or AS.

[McLaren Fan]

"Driving with his sausage gone wild" LOL I love that expression! I'll remember that. He may be driving with his sausage gone wild but he uses his brain as well. As Bud said it was only really a problem in that long turn 8. I love to watch him drive and would hate him to loose his exciting style and become a boring driver.

I meant that in more than one way. I think he's getting too distracted by money/new endorsements (with his daddy being the driving force) and girls (he's a young man). Nothing wrong with enjoying life as an F1 driver, but to become a great don't look further than to the dedication and focus of an MS or AP or AS.

It's very easy to get distracted, especially at such a young age, but his father believes the hype surrounding his son and is leading him to believe he is God's gift. I will for ever resent the man - and Hamilton to a degree as well - for trying to get his son a drive with Williams a couple of years ago, just because McLaren felt it would be better for him to stay in GP 2 for another season. After all McLaren and Ron Dennis did personally for Hamilton, that attitude is frankly sickening. The man clearly has no moral values. Decadent arrogance normally leads to dangerous territory. Hamilton needs better counsel.

[racechick]

I don't see how a small tweak to Hamilton's driving style will make him a 'boring driver'. Kovalainen is doing a better job at looking after his tyres and he is not a boring driver. I would not like to see two simultaneous developments at McLaren. It didn't work last time round, and the team's resources would be better used towards making the car go generally faster. If Hamilton can't adapt, then he's not doing what he is being paid to do and is not up to scratch. I'm getting fed up with spice boy Formula One drivers. I'd love to see the likes of Senna and Prost at their peak driving today. They would get on with job and there would be a lot less complaining, I'll tell you that much.

Im sure Hamilton can tweak if its needed but his style is FAST. Faster than Heikki at the moment so maybe doing a better job with the tyres would not be the better job to do to win the race.
You say Lewis isnt focused well I think he is and he certainly doesnt complain. You cant compare eras but since you did I'll reply. I think ,like you ,that Senna was the best but if you are talking about complaining -do you remember Senna complaining at that race where he wanted pole to be put on the other side of the track?? Can you imagine the outcry if Lewis pulled that stunt. And if you're compararing him to Senna then Senna d!cked around a lot off the track- ask Gerhard Berger...didnt affect his driving.

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

[McLaren Fan]

Im sure Hamilton can tweak if its needed but his style is FAST. Faster than Heikki at the moment so maybe doing a better job with the tyres would not be the better job to do to win the race.
You say Lewis isnt focused well I think he is and he certainly doesnt complain. You cant compare eras but since you did I'll reply. I think ,like you ,that Senna was the best but if you are talking about complaining -do you remember Senna complaining at that race where he wanted pole to be put on the other side of the track?? Can you imagine the outcry if Lewis pulled that stunt. And if you're compararing him to Senna then Senna d!cked around a lot off the track- ask Gerhard Berger...didnt affect his driving.

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

I'm not completely sure I'd agree that Hamilton is faster than Kovalainen, in fact, when you take into account pit strategies, Kovalainen is just as, if not more, fast than Hamilton. That is a pretty shocking statistic when one considers Hamilton is touted as the next best thing, and that Kovalainen is new to McLaren's setup.

I didn't say Hamilton was not focused, although he is clearly enjoying the high life and getting increasingly up his own arse. I notice you didn't try to defend Hamilton against wanting to jump ship to Williams. Why? Because there is no defence. All this crap about Dennis and Hamilton having a father and son relationship makes me cringe. I didn't see Hamilton even giving Dennis a blind bit of consideration when he was trying to negotiate his move from the team. Basically, the attitude was, "Thanks for giving me the best of everything, Ron; your time, money, training, and advice for the last ten years, but I'm going to disappear now to Williams." It would be rather funny if he did, for he'd be somewhere in the midfield struggling to beat Rosberg.

Your parallels with Senna are, simply, outrageous, and hopelessly incongruous. As you well know, Senna had perfect reason to complain, given that Balestre, as he admitted soon after Senna's death, stepped in on numerous occasions to favour his compatriot, Prost. Nothing of the sort is going on with Hamilton. McLaren have given him everything and did their utmost to ready him for Formula One, but Hamilton has chosen and continues to chose to throw it back in the team's face. It takes more than some cheap sound bites from his PR training - which McLaren also paid for, by the way - to convince me about his goodly character.

It seems that Dennis has forgiven him about the Williams episode, and that's fine. Hamilton should now shut his trap, appreciate the great people he has behind him, and allow them to make the necessary and informed decisions about how McLaren is run, or at the very least not vent his heavily biased and erroneous views in public. It's incredibly inappreciative and unprofessional.

[7UpJordan]

I wouldn't complain about Hamilton in a Williams.

It's been too long since Williams had a British driver, and that was Button 8 years ago!
Dear Sir Frank and Mr Head, PLEASE pick up Davidson...

[darwin dali]

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

Yeah well, some can deal with it (possibly because they surround themselves with people that keep them grounded to some degree) and become world champions (KR), some are still too young and immature and stuff up instead of becoming great. Look, e.g., at no-nonsense drivers like RK who took the hard way and focused entirely on their career (he moved as a young teen from Poland to Italy all by himself to get into serious racing). This kind of dedication invokes much more admiration in me than having been RD's personal pet project for a decade.

[racechick]

Im sure Hamilton can tweak if its needed but his style is FAST. Faster than Heikki at the moment so maybe doing a better job with the tyres would not be the better job to do to win the race.
You say Lewis isnt focused well I think he is and he certainly doesnt complain. You cant compare eras but since you did I'll reply. I think ,like you ,that Senna was the best but if you are talking about complaining -do you remember Senna complaining at that race where he wanted pole to be put on the other side of the track?? Can you imagine the outcry if Lewis pulled that stunt. And if you're compararing him to Senna then Senna d!cked around a lot off the track- ask Gerhard Berger...didnt affect his driving.

DD they are all young mwn with sausages Havent seen Lewis'going any wilder with the sausage than any of the others !

I'm not completely sure I'd agree that Hamilton is faster than Kovalainen, in fact, when you take into account pit strategies, Kovalainen is just as, if not more, fast than Hamilton. That is a pretty shocking statistic when one considers Hamilton is touted as the next best thing, and that Kovalainen is new to McLaren's setup.

I didn't say Hamilton was not focused, although he is clearly enjoying the high life and getting increasingly up his own arse. I notice you didn't try to defend Hamilton against wanting to jump ship to Williams. Why? Because there is no defence. All this crap about Dennis and Hamilton having a father and son relationship makes me cringe. I didn't see Hamilton even giving Dennis a blind bit of consideration when he was trying to negotiate his move from the team. Basically, the attitude was, "Thanks for giving me the best of everything, Ron; your time, money, training, and advice for the last ten years, but I'm going to disappear now to Williams." It would be rather funny if he did, for he'd be somewhere in the midfield struggling to beat Rosberg.

Your parallels with Senna are, simply, outrageous, and hopelessly incongruous. As you well know, Senna had perfect reason to complain, given that Balestre, as he admitted soon after Senna's death, stepped in on numerous occasions to favour his compatriot, Prost. Nothing of the sort is going on with Hamilton. McLaren have given him everything and did their utmost to ready him for Formula One, but Hamilton has chosen and continues to chose to throw it back in the team's face. It takes more than some cheap sound bites from his PR training - which McLaren also paid for, by the way - to convince me about his goodly character.

It seems that Dennis has forgiven him about the Williams episode, and that's fine. Hamilton should now shut his trap, appreciate the great people he has behind him, and allow them to make the necessary and informed decisions about how McLaren is run, or at the very least not vent his heavily biased and erroneous views in public. It's incredibly inappreciative and unprofessional.

Well Mclaren fan you must be very disappointed that Lewis drives for McLaren
Up his own arse? Now how do you work that one out?
Lewis trying to jump ship Ahhh is that why you dislike him?? Ive hardly given that a thought. You say the ron /lewis father/ son relationship makes you cringe yet you dont like it when he acts for himself(or rateher his manager does) All drivers wheeler deal and change teams. At some point Lewis had to step outside of his role of Ron's boy. Non of the worlds great talents are owned. I hope he stays at McLaren, I think it the best place for him but its very rare a driver does that. I doubt he was serious about williams, his manager was dealing...and it worked, Lewis was in the McLaren and wowing the world. McLaren are not naive either.
Im sure Lewis does recognise the support he has and the expertise around him but that does not mean he has to become an automaton. If you listen to people who know him (Other drivers, past combatants)they speak very highly of him. He is entitled to his views and I have not heard him speaking ill of his team or being unproffessional.
Senna-I did not say Senna was wrong in what he did, I just said he complained. I have not heard Lewis complaining. But you either accept someones right to complain or you dont. The rights and wrongs of the actual complaint can be argued endlessly.
I think you have Lewis wrong and I think its because you think he is unfair to McLaren, I realise that from your last post. Nobody is perfect but I think you are very harsh in your judgement of him

[f1ea]

Ok... so Does BMW have a chance at Monaco?


Practice day 2 shows Kimi on top, Heikki very close behind. And BMW 3rd. Similar for day 1 except with... some other Mclaren on top Regardless, Mclaren continue to show scary form with both drivers in different configs from last week's. So I doubt there will be much surprise to see BMW in 3rd, cause they will switch to med-low d/f tests for day 3 on.

Kubica can very well get a podium... but I'm strongly inclined to say BMW have no chance to win at Monaco next week.