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[Ron Dennis]

Its an ousside source as far as Raikkonen is concerned.

I.E. Kimi may get extra points for something out of the control of his own driving - team orders ergo illegal as defined by the FIA.

[ArtHowe]

And exactly who is qualified to condemn a team based on an alleged "perception" of the possibility or likelihood of "likes or dislikes" Dali? I'm sorry but that concept is so nebulous as to be nonsensical. However, I do admit that it is, on reflection, more than likely to hold water in the Kangaroo Courts of Mosley's FIA.

[darwin dali]

Why condemn? Just making sure there's no preferential treatment (for whatever reasons - I just gave an example) is the mission. I wouldn't like it in my garage, but it is what it is for McLaren.

[McLaren Fan]

Once again I see DD continues to defend the indefensible.

[darwin dali]

How did I defend it? I stated that I wouldn't like it in my garage

[McLaren Fan]

At least I can understand where they're coming from considering the recent history of McLaren and FA...

It's irrelevant. There are no rules regarding team equality. If Hamilton was to get, say, a better engine and Alonso an inferior one there's nothing the FIA could do to stop it. The only time the FIA could do something is if Alonso's car was a danger to himself, other drivers, et al. Ergo, the FIA are sticking their noses in where they have no business or remit.

[darwin dali]

Apparently it's not irrelevant to the FIA how this season was going and the history of it all...

[McLaren Fan]

Apparently it's not irrelevant to the FIA how this season was going and the history of it all...

The FIA make their change and make up rules when it suits, usually to assist Ferrari. As I've said, this history of it doesn't count. There are no rules to govern equality, which reminds me, why did Mosley and his acolytes not find them time between 1996 and 2006 to pay a visit to Scuderia Ferrari HQ and speak to them about issues such as driver equality?

[darwin dali]

So, you're implying that the FIA is trying to help Ferrari with the scrutineering at McLaren??? Wouldn't they just have missed a golden opportunity (wet tire affair) if they wanted this?
You make no sense.

[McLaren Fan]

So, you're implying that the FIA is trying to help Ferrari with the scrutineering at McLaren??? Wouldn't they just have missed a golden opportunity (wet tire affair) if they wanted this?
You make no sense.

As I said on the other thread, I was surprised to see an element of common sense from them, although their decision may have been made easier when television ratings were considered. Mosley has also shown his support for Alonso over Hamilton. However, you have avoided the key parts: the FIA have no remit to do this, be it at McLaren or Spyker. And, why has equality become such a big issue when Schumacher was number one at Ferrari?

[darwin dali]

A thread where you also said 'Generally speaking, I agree as drivers benefit from the team. Hamilton et al. should be fined as well.' So, the FIA decision was not very consistent I'd say - and that's the second time in a row where LH escaped punishment where he (together with FA) should have been punished as he is a team member (remember the WMSC meeting?). Let's not forget the crane incident - had it been a Ferrari, could you imagine the collective outcry? So, FM in the same situation probably would have been disqualified.
Overall LH certainly can't complain about the FIA's decisions with regard to him...

[McLaren Fan]

A thread where you also said 'Generally speaking, I agree as drivers benefit from the team. Hamilton et al. should be fined as well.' So, the FIA decision was not very consistent I'd say - and that's the second time in a row where LH escaped punishment where he (together with FA) should have been punished as he is a team member (remember the WMSC meeting?). Let's not forget the crane incident - had it been a Ferrari, could you imagine the collective outcry? So, FM in the same situation probably would have been disqualified.
Overall LH certainly can't complain about the FIA's decisions with regard to him...

Assuming, for the sake of argument, McLaren were guilty in and benefitted from the spy scandal then, naturally, so would Alonso and Hamilton. Therefore, they should have been punished. I've commented on this on numerous occasions. As for the crane incident, so what? The car was in a dangerous position, with other drivers flying off all over the place. Schumacher got away with being pushed under less danagerous cirscumstances. There was no illegality.

[darwin dali]

Even if there was no legality issue, I'm saying had it been a Ferrari car in the same situation (not MS mind you, but FM or KR), the FIA/stewards would have decided differently based on the public outcry and protests flying in from other teams, especially McLaren

[ArtHowe]

That's an assumption and, even if it were true, it still doesn't make it illegal. The rules are generally written in the rule book. Please don't bother fretting about for an obscure sport where the rules are written on 600 year old pickled duck eggs.