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By overboost
#432875
Please refrain from 'sore loser' comments, accept the termination of that dialogue or I shall be forced to boycott all further discussions


The 'dialogue' will be over when you remove your false accusations. In the mean time don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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By racechick
#432877
I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button

:shtstorm:

Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB


Are you high?

Ranking Riccardo and Bottas above Hamilton and Button...

Firstly you need a few years before ranking Bottas but I do agree Bottas has potential.

Secondly Riccardo needs one our two years more especially in a top car to judge him, however based on the spanking he gave Vettel I agree he will be up with the top 2


I'm forming my views based on the junior catagories that Bottas and Ricciardo was in too, but let me defend my opinion here.

Hamilton is lower because he is the fastest driver by a small margin than anyone else on the grid, but only when he is in the right mindset, this isn't a mental weakness thing but we all know Lewis is very open emotionally and it shows in his times sometimes, on his day (And there have been a lot) he is unbeatable but there are times when he just seems a tad lackluster; even on these lackluster days he can be fighting for wins but he's not as blindingly fast as he can be.

Bottas was able to impress in 2013 in a car that was frankly crap, his junior performances were brilliant too, but the thing is whilst he may not have Hammy's raw speed his is a more consistent entity, same with Ricciardo although I feel he has a bit more race craft than Bottas.


I agree with you it is close at the top and that Bottas and Ricciardo are indeed talented drivers, both showing great promise. Ricciardo especially - arriving at a top team and creating a stir at Red Bull perhaps larger than that of Hamilton at McLaren in 2007. Autosport had him as top rated and even Alonso describes him as 'unbelievable'.

Looking at Hamilton, he hasn't been top rated by the Team Principals since 2008 mainly hovering between third and fourth place if that survey is to be used as an indicator. He didn't do anything really spectacular in 2014 to be suddenly at the top of the TP's list imo and I would think his poor qualifying form that was exposed by Rosberg is a detractor. I think his fortunes were boosted in 2014 mainly because or Raikkonen's and Vettel's misfortunes more than anything else and of course by that 'in a class of its own' Mercedes. An extra 2 secs per lap will help anyone look better making him a bit overrated perhaps!

So imo your not far off! I would just swap Alo and Ricc and Ham with Bottas.


Ricciardo and Bottas do show promise...but it's just just promise. Mags showed promise, so did his dad, so did Perez , so did Kovelainen, so did Frentzen, so did many many drivers, but they didn't deliver, championships that is. So how can you rate those two as top drivers when they haven't yet proven themselves in the thick of a title battle?

Hamilton has delivered championships, and for two different teams, and he's fought against top team mates , one a double world champion . And he's never asked for , needed , or been given number one status, he's fought for what he's got.
You think Hamilton's overrated because his car's fast? Why do you think he's in that car? He's in it because he's rated.

Now qualifying...until last year Hamilton was rated throughout his career as the out and out one lap speed merchant. So what? you think he just forgot how to do it? You buy into the philosophy that Hamilton can't think? You dont wonder why all those Rosberg poles weren't converted, and that maybe that one lap speed was at the expense of race wins? Because Hamilton had a lot more of those race wins than Rosberg. So could it be that Hamilton sacrificed some of the qualifying glory in exchange for the bigger prize? A race win? A championshipip? Or ins Hamilton too thick to think things through like that? It would be a fool who believed that.
By CookinFlat6
#432879
It would be a fool who believed that.


or claims Tiger Woods destroyed sponsor share value and was now hated and without sponsors - at the same time as posts a link that shows Tiger is the worlds number 1 in sponsorship deals haven breached the 1 bill threshold

now this is the good bit - the link was posted to demonstrate that Lewis was hated and without sponsors and had no endorsements compared to Nascar drivers

:rofl::rofl:
By CookinFlat6
#432880
Its obvious who the best drivers are, we dont even have to watch races. If certain drivers seem good now, its just because we are waiting for proof they are bad. Any driver from a certain country and originally from a certain country can only be fooling us with his talent. Just you wait, I will be proven right in the end, and in the meantime lets change the rules, boycotting is not practical cos I enjoy watching the fake build up to an even bigger fall

(I know, lets start a campaign to boycott Obama at his next election :rofl: )
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By overboost
#432881
I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button

:shtstorm:

Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB


Are you high?

Ranking Riccardo and Bottas above Hamilton and Button...

Firstly you need a few years before ranking Bottas but I do agree Bottas has potential.

Secondly Riccardo needs one our two years more especially in a top car to judge him, however based on the spanking he gave Vettel I agree he will be up with the top 2


I'm forming my views based on the junior catagories that Bottas and Ricciardo was in too, but let me defend my opinion here.

Hamilton is lower because he is the fastest driver by a small margin than anyone else on the grid, but only when he is in the right mindset, this isn't a mental weakness thing but we all know Lewis is very open emotionally and it shows in his times sometimes, on his day (And there have been a lot) he is unbeatable but there are times when he just seems a tad lackluster; even on these lackluster days he can be fighting for wins but he's not as blindingly fast as he can be.

Bottas was able to impress in 2013 in a car that was frankly crap, his junior performances were brilliant too, but the thing is whilst he may not have Hammy's raw speed his is a more consistent entity, same with Ricciardo although I feel he has a bit more race craft than Bottas.


I agree with you it is close at the top and that Bottas and Ricciardo are indeed talented drivers, both showing great promise. Ricciardo especially - arriving at a top team and creating a stir at Red Bull perhaps larger than that of Hamilton at McLaren in 2007. Autosport had him as top rated and even Alonso describes him as 'unbelievable'.

Looking at Hamilton, he hasn't been top rated by the Team Principals since 2008 mainly hovering between third and fourth place if that survey is to be used as an indicator. He didn't do anything really spectacular in 2014 to be suddenly at the top of the TP's list imo and I would think his poor qualifying form that was exposed by Rosberg is a detractor. I think his fortunes were boosted in 2014 mainly because or Raikkonen's and Vettel's misfortunes more than anything else and of course by that 'in a class of its own' Mercedes. An extra 2 secs per lap will help anyone look better making him a bit overrated perhaps!

So imo your not far off! I would just swap Alo and Ricc and Ham with Bottas.


Ricciardo and Bottas do show promise...but it's just just promise. Mags showed promise, so did his dad, so did Perez , so did Kovelainen, so did Frentzen, so did many many drivers, but they didn't deliver, championships that is. So how can you rate those two as top drivers when they haven't yet proven themselves in the thick of a title battle?

Hamilton has delivered championships, and for two different teams, and he's fought against top team mates , one a double world champion . And he's never asked for , needed , or been given number one status, he's fought for what he's got.
You think Hamilton's overrated because his car's fast? Why do you think he's in that car? He's in it because he's rated.

Now qualifying...until last year Hamilton was rated throughout his career as the out and out one lap speed merchant. So what? you think he just forgot how to do it? You buy into the philosophy that Hamilton can't think? You dont wonder why all those Rosberg poles weren't converted, and that maybe that one lap speed was at the expense of race wins? Because Hamilton had a lot more of those race wins than Rosberg. So could it be that Hamilton sacrificed some of the qualifying glory in exchange for the bigger prize? A race win? A championshipip? Or ins Hamilton too thick to think things through like that? It would be a fool who believed that.


Hamilton beat Rosberg because he is better! Lauda recruited Hamilton to be the top driver at Mercedes and paid him as such so it was expected that Hamilton would be the #1 at Mercedes. Rosberg taking it to the last race was a bit of an eye opener though.

And I don't believe it for a minute that Hamilton isn't able to think or isn't smart enough for F1. He seems to do just fine.

ps. Yes Hamilton was recruited as he is a 'rated' driver and Merc needed one but keep in mind that he was also the only 'rated' driver available at the time.
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By overboost
#432882

Ricciardo and Bottas do show promise...but it's just just promise. Mags showed promise, so did his dad, so did Perez , so did Kovelainen, so did Frentzen, so did many many drivers, but they didn't deliver, championships that is. So how can you rate those two as top drivers when they haven't yet proven themselves in the thick of a title battle?

Hamilton has delivered championships, and for two different teams, and he's fought against top team mates , one a double world champion . And he's never asked for , needed , or been given number one status, he's fought for what he's got.
You think Hamilton's overrated because his car's fast? Why do you think he's in that car? He's in it because he's rated.

Now qualifying...until last year Hamilton was rated throughout his career as the out and out one lap speed merchant. So what? you think he just forgot how to do it? You buy into the philosophy that Hamilton can't think? You dont wonder why all those Rosberg poles weren't converted, and that maybe that one lap speed was at the expense of race wins? Because Hamilton had a lot more of those race wins than Rosberg. So could it be that Hamilton sacrificed some of the qualifying glory in exchange for the bigger prize? A race win? A championshipip? Or ins Hamilton too thick to think things through like that? It would be a fool who believed that.


Hamilton beat Rosberg because he is better! Lauda recruited Hamilton to be the top driver at Mercedes and paid him as such so it was expected that Hamilton would be the #1 at Mercedes. Rosberg taking it to the last race was a bit of an eye opener though.

And I don't believe it for a minute that Hamilton isn't able to think or isn't smart enough for F1. He seems to do just fine.

ps. Yes Hamilton was recruited as he is a 'rated' driver and Merc needed one but keep in mind that he was also the only 'rated' driver available at the time.

ps. Having Ricciardo at the top is for 2014. If you are commenting based on a time frame over the last three years I can understand your view on DR and VB.
Last edited by overboost on 11 Feb 15, 03:56, edited 3 times in total.
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By overboost
#432892
:yikes: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I.CAN.TYPING


You still here? I guess your word means nothing.

And yes I saw that you were getting 'granular' earlier! Isn't that a term used by low level managers who are trying to make themselves sound smarter. It didn't work.
By Hammer278
#432893
OB you sound more aggressive since Cooks hinted you might hold more than a single account here. :)

Must've struck some kind of nerve huh.
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By 1Lemon
#432894
Jesus christ can we get back on topic please? I'm tried of this now.
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By overboost
#432895
OB you sound more aggressive since Cooks hinted you might hold more than a single account here. :)

Must've struck some kind of nerve huh.


Two accounts? My concern is with cookin arbitrarily spreading lies about racist comments being made. That kind of bs has no place here.
By Hammer278
#432897
Jesus christ can we get back on topic please? I'm tried of this now.


Take your pick.

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By CookinFlat6
#432901
Jesus christ can we get back on topic please? I'm tried of this now.


I dunno, did you try yet to get back on topic? or do you wanna take a vote?
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By 1Lemon
#432909
It's more so the same argument happening on most topics.

And hammer irn bru should be an option.
By CookinFlat6
#432916
By discussing the ""argument"" you are not really changing the topic or bringing it back on topic now are you?

If you find something funny, do you say "thats funny" or do you laugh? One option is genuine and the other is just noise

So next time CHANGE the topic to add value instead of the usual self serving moaning :thumbup:

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