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[LewEngBridewell]

However, that driver may not necessarily be the most "blinding" or visually impressive. I mean, look at Robert Kubica... he's mighty impressive, but never been in a position to win a title. He came closest in '08. But that year, I didn't come away saying that it should have been Kubica's, because it shouldn't.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

No, I'm not agreeing with you. What kind of a response was that?

[andrew]

However, that driver may not necessarily be the most "blinding" or visually impressive. I mean, look at Robert Kubica... he's mighty impressive, but never been in a position to win a title. He came closest in '08. But that year, I didn't come away saying that it should have been Kubica's, because it shouldn't.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

No, I'm not agreeing with you.

Looks like you are. The most impresive driver is not always the one with the most points. It all comes down to luck at the end of it.

[LewEngBridewell]

However, that driver may not necessarily be the most "blinding" or visually impressive. I mean, look at Robert Kubica... he's mighty impressive, but never been in a position to win a title. He came closest in '08. But that year, I didn't come away saying that it should have been Kubica's, because it shouldn't.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

No, I'm not agreeing with you.

Looks like you are. The most impresive driver is not always the one with the most points. It all comes down to luck at the end of it.

I said the driver with the most POINTS deserves to be champion. Not the driver who necessarily sets the screen alight with all sorts of fancy driving. It is them who deserve to be in CONTENTION in the future.

I say contention, because supposed wonderful skill is not enough. They have to pick up the points... more than everyone else... that's the real test.

[andrew]

Well that's where we differ in opinion my good man.

[LewEngBridewell]

Well that's where we differ in oppinion my good man.

Well, as Mark Twain once said;

It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races.

T'was a pleasure to disagree with you again my man, and it's not often you can say that about people.

[andrew]

Well that's where we differ in oppinion my good man.

Well, as Mark Twain once said;

It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races.

T'was a pleasure to disagree with you again my man, and it's not often you can say that about people.

Now if everyone was as good natured as this there would be no riots and London would only be wrecked when there is a Scotland v England match at Wembley!

[LewEngBridewell]

Well that's where we differ in oppinion my good man.

Well, as Mark Twain once said;

It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races.

T'was a pleasure to disagree with you again my man, and it's not often you can say that about people.

Now if everyone was as good natured as this there would be no riots and London would only be wrecked when there is a Scotland v England match at Wembley!

[Ferrari man 009]

Agree with myownalias. Schumacher buggered-up in Adelaide and purposely tried to take out Hill. How is that not clear for all to see? It's just as clear as his cheating tactics in Jerez 1997 and Monaco 2006.

It's funny that Hill doesn't share the same view. He was the one in the car but what does he know? By Hill's own admission he made a lunge that was optimistic. Regardless of who he was trying to overtake, it was always going to end in tears

As for Jerez 97, it was a bit of a mind-fart by Schumacher but it was nothing compared to Senna ramming Prost in Japan 1990 yet Senna is hailed as some kind of F1 God. From what Ive seen of Senna, it was a case of either let him past or he'll shove you off the track. I guess being dead helps with the legend part. Jerez was less clear cut than Adelaide 94. Villeneuve's seemed to go very deep into the corner in a straight line. Watch the on-board footage, listen to Brundle and watch the steering wheels. Villeneuve was going very deep into the corner and Schumacher tried to go round the corner. This incident is also nothing compared with Senna ramming Prost.

Monaco 2006 was just a case of going too fast into the corner. Just a simple case of a driver screwing up a corner. Had it been any other track where there is room to make a mistake then there would have been no problem.

So he cheated his way to a title in '94, and won his Ferrari titles with the best car by miles... that leaves just '95 as a "proper" championship in andrew's books.

So what do you call Hamilton's championship in a silver Ferrari in the best car but with fewer wins and Ferrari screw-ups? Or Buttons with the gift from Max?

Well, Button made the most of having the best car (for half the season)... like most world champions. Hamilton came on top after fierce competition from Ferrari and a useless team-mate.

They're world champions... that statistic does all the talking.

Exactly, Button was all the car. In 2008 McLaren made less mistakes than Ferrari. Statistics only tell part of the story though.

I agree that Kimi and Massa should have had the championship currently. If there was a Schumacher or Alonso in the 2008 Ferrari, the championship would have been over by Monza/Singapore time.


*EDIT* here is the evidence that 97 Jerez wasnt all Schumachers fault



If you look at that, Schumacher is turning in towards the apex before JV shows up, if Schumacher doesnt turn in, JV would have wiped him clean off the track into the gravel, as JV braked too late and attempted a bit of a banzai overtake imo.

[Milly_IT]

I haven't ever liked Villeneuve and one of the reason is his criticism to almost every other drivers.
He had 2 good seasons (1996 and 1997) and then he didn't win nothing... sometimes he should criticize himself instead than other ones!

[elfinitty]

I haven't ever liked Villeneuve and one of the reason is his criticism to almost every other drivers.
He had 2 good seasons (1996 and 1997) and then he didn't win nothing... sometimes he should criticize himself instead than other ones!

Well,i didnt watch F1 during his years but i agree with you about his criticism.Once on his column in F1 Racing he said that Petrov's injure in Monaco wasnt as bad as going to hospital.He adds:''Nowadays drivers get injured like football players.Like Petrov did.'' .But then i thought it was because he thinks the ''bad crash'' is like his dad's.

[LewEngBridewell]

I haven't ever liked Villeneuve and one of the reason is his criticism to almost every other drivers.
He had 2 good seasons (1996 and 1997) and then he didn't win nothing... sometimes he should criticize himself instead than other ones!

Well,i didnt watch F1 during his years but i agree with you about his criticism.Once on his column in F1 Racing he said that Petrov's injure in Monaco wasnt as bad as going to hospital.He adds:''Nowadays drivers get injured like football players.Like Petrov did.'' .But then i thought it was because he thinks the ''bad crash'' is like his dad's.

Even when he was at Williams, he wasn't a nice guy really. I heard he was even rude to the mechanics and team members.

I'm not a fan of him or his massive opinions.

[andrew]

I haven't ever liked Villeneuve and one of the reason is his criticism to almost every other drivers.
He had 2 good seasons (1996 and 1997) and then he didn't win nothing... sometimes he should criticize himself instead than other ones!

Well,i didnt watch F1 during his years but i agree with you about his criticism.Once on his column in F1 Racing he said that Petrov's injure in Monaco wasnt as bad as going to hospital.He adds:''Nowadays drivers get injured like football players.Like Petrov did.'' .But then i thought it was because he thinks the ''bad crash'' is like his dad's.

Even when he was at Williams, he wasn't a nice guy really. I heard he was even rude to the mechanics and team members.

I'm not a fan of him or his massive opinions.

I'll be polite an say he is an a-hole. He commentated on one of the GPs earlier this year on Radio 5 and was very good and very fair and I started to think I'd got him wrong and warmed to him but then I saw his comments and was reminded that I was 100% correct in my initial assessment.

It's a real shame because the Villeneuve name will be remembered for absurd bitter outbursts and not for Gilles Villeneuve who, going by what has been written about him and what is on YouTube, was an immensely talanted driver who died far too early.

Maybe he should stick to polluting the airwaves with his crappy music and knocking boots with the less successful of the Minogue sisters (yes I know my insults are out of date but who cares?!).

[LewEngBridewell]

Maybe he should stick to polluting the airwaves with his crappy music and knocking boots with the less successful of the Minogue sisters (yes I know my insults are out of date but who cares?!).

Oh yes!

I remember a few years back when he drove for Sauber or BMW and he released a CD with a song he made up and they played it as part of the pre-race build up.

[andrew]

Maybe he should stick to polluting the airwaves with his crappy music and knocking boots with the less successful of the Minogue sisters (yes I know my insults are out of date but who cares?!).

Oh yes!

I remember a few years back when he drove for Sauber or BMW and he released a CD with a song he made up and they played it as part of the pre-race build up.

No wonder this happened! Thinking of radio friendly pop when he should have been driving.

[Jabberwocky]

look at the marshals face, He can hear JV singing