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[What's Burning?]

There's still around 300 points for the taking, with Seb having a 60 point lead. It does seem quite large doesn't it

325 points left actually, Vettel needs only to score 92 more from those 325 left in order to clinch this year's WDC. Given this year he's gotten 143 out of the first 150 available, it's looking very grim or very bright depending on your POV.

[LewEngBridewell]

An article which supports my view that RBR are not so rosy with regards to race pace. And there's no question they were lucky in Monaco. This battle isn't over JUST yet....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 601279.stm


Give it a few more races before making decisions with this one, I feel.

[FRAFPDD]

How many times, in an average of.....13? races a season, times by 60 seasons, has a championship leader, let alone one winning 5/6 races, crashed, and broke a leg.

Like i said stop playing on technicalities and read the thread title, he has effectively won the title.

You said this:

No driver will ever win the first 5/6 races and not win the title, ever.

That is an absolute statement saying that it cannot happen that a who wins the first 5/6 races can win the championship. You don't seem to understand the difference between something that is very unlikely, and something that is impossible. If you don't want people to criticise what you write, then you should be more careful to write something that's actually sensible.

Read.the.question.in.the.title.

Can Vettel still lose the title, yes, its not that
Can Others still win the title, yes, its not that

IS the WDC effectively, effectively, effectively, Vettels, yes it is.


The question was purposely asked to ignore mathmatircal chance and include all essences of realism, the word effectively is the most important word in the title.


I know what your saying, but your ignoring what the thread is actually about, its about realism, not technicalities.

[phil12321]

Hello Fellow F1 Fans... Im new to the forum... I would like to start off by saying that I do believe the WDC is already Vettels for the following reasons
1) he has the better car
2) he has the better team
3) Pirelli is ghost sponsoring him (he's the only one who doesnt suffer from tire serious degredation)
4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)
5) MSC wants him to win as well
6) The Rules Just seem to fit his situation EVERY RACE!!!

Just my opinion

[Denthúl]

3) Pirelli is ghost sponsoring him (he's the only one who doesnt suffer from tire serious degredation)

Pretty sure the tyres coming off Sauber's cars will disagree with that. Lotus have comparatively good results on tyre degradation, too.

[FerrariFan63]

Read.the.question.in.the.title.

Can Vettel still lose the title, yes, its not that
Can Others still win the title, yes, its not that

IS the WDC effectively, effectively, effectively, Vettels, yes it is.


The question was purposely asked to ignore mathmatircal chance and include all essences of realism, the word effectively is the most important word in the title.


I know what your saying, but your ignoring what the thread is actually about, its about realism, not technicalities.

I answered the question put into the thread title in my first post, where I said that I thought it 90% or even 95% likely that Vettel would win this year.

My more recent posts are addressing your comment where you said:

No driver will ever win the first 5/6 races and not win the title, ever.

The original question as in the title was a sensible thing to ask, and I answered it in a sensible way. That's done and dusted. I'm now just addressing your claims that:

No driver will ever win the first 5/6 races and not win the title, ever.

which is a ludicrous thing to say. However, you're just avoiding the issue, which makes me think that you know that you're wrong, and just want to wriggle out of admitting it.

[FRAFPDD]

I do see where your coming from Ferrarifan63, with my " No dirver..5/6 races" thing, but your thinking that im saying that mathmatically no driver will even win the 5/6 races and not win the title...


That ^ IS ludicrous. But you werent meant to take what i said technically. Your meant to take that quote you keep coming back to as a realists statement.


Heres what you said earlier " 90-95 percent chance of winning", right, so that is 95 times out of 100 seasons that a driver winning the first 5/6 races would win the title, NOW, remembering what my quote was, was said in a realist fashion (not saying he technically cant lose the title, cause that is 100 percent wrong) .. What was so wrong with it?

Im sure its just the miscommunication of whats possible, and whats likely. Im talking about likely. As i inferred from the OP that thats whats being asked of us.

[phil12321]

3) Pirelli is ghost sponsoring him (he's the only one who doesnt suffer from tire serious degredation)

Pretty sure the tyres coming off Sauber's cars will disagree with that. Lotus have comparatively good results on tyre degradation, too.

Lotus have comparitively good results?!? which Lotus are we talking about? Team Lotus are Renault? If were talking about Renault then I can honestly say that yes they do keep pace but Petrov Abuses Pirelli Tires so I dont see how you can compare... IMO...... and Team Lotus are Like 2 secs Off pace ever time... lol

[Denthúl]

3) Pirelli is ghost sponsoring him (he's the only one who doesnt suffer from tire serious degredation)

Pretty sure the tyres coming off Sauber's cars will disagree with that. Lotus have comparatively good results on tyre degradation, too.

Lotus have comparitively good results?!? which Lotus are we talking about? Team Lotus are Renault? If were talking about Renault then I can honestly say that yes they do keep pace but Petrov Abuses Pirelli Tires so I dont see how you can compare... IMO...... and Team Lotus are Like 2 secs Off pace ever time... lol

They may well be two to three seconds off the pace, but they still don't suffer the severe degradation that can be seen on some of the other cars across the field.

[vlad]

Hahahaha, ghost sponsorship!!! Hahaha!

What's next?
Alien DNA? Superhero powers?

[phil12321]

Hahahaha, ghost sponsorship!!! Hahaha!

What's next?
Alien DNA? Superhero powers?

I used that as a hyperbole... Im sorry that you didnt understand

[sennasational]

Hamilton, Alonso and Button are all capable of beating Vettel (Webber is not), he only needs a few bad races and his lead will have disappeared, 1 DNF and it'll be gone in no time. The last few seasons there has always been a 'sure winner' at the start and the season ends up being very close.

Hamilton should win at Canada, we'll see what happens afterwards. As long as its an entertaining fight right down to the wire, I don't mind who wins.

[vlad]

Hahahaha, ghost sponsorship!!! Hahaha!

What's next?
Alien DNA? Superhero powers?

I used that as a hyperbole... Im sorry that you didnt understand

You were not the only one mentioning that.

[Yoruba]

3) Pirelli is ghost sponsoring him (he's the only one who doesnt suffer from tire serious degredation)

Pretty sure the tyres coming off Sauber's cars will disagree with that. Lotus have comparatively good results on tyre degradation, too.

Lotus have comparitively good results?!? which Lotus are we talking about? Team Lotus are Renault? If were talking about Renault then I can honestly say that yes they do keep pace but Petrov Abuses Pirelli Tires so I dont see how you can compare... IMO...... and Team Lotus are Like 2 secs Off pace ever time... lol

They may well be two to three seconds off the pace, but they still don't suffer the severe degradation that can be seen on some of the other cars across the field.

Well he may have a point there. Obviously if you are going slower than the rest of the field, logic says your tyre degradation should be less than the rest of field. no?

[What's Burning?]

Well he may have a point there. Obviously if you are going slower than the rest of the field, logic says your tyre degradation should be less than the rest of field. no?

Logic alone would fail you since the car could be slower simply because it's loose and therefore harsher on tired. Speed alone is not an indicator of tire efficiency. Drift cars don't go very fast but a really harsh on tires. A car that is gentler on tires does so because it's more balanced and does not put too much pressure on one corner or on the front versus the rear. When tires go they tend to either go in a corner of front or rear, being gentle on tires is when they all degrade at the same rate.