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[killem2]

Maybe it will make the sport cheaper to participate in i guess : \

[stonemonkey]

Why this talk of fuel cells, then we'll have electric F1 cars sounding like milk floats.

[killem2]

Why this talk of fuel cells, then we'll have electric F1 cars sounding like milk floats.

You are right, I say, go steam powered f1 cars, Careful though the run off area may need to be made into part of the actual track with the understeer

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

"Relevance" is a red herring. If you carry the "relevance" theme to its logical end, F1 should be driving stock cars. Not NASCAR stock cars, showroom stock cars. There is no logical stopping point between here and there.

F1 isn't, has never been and should never be about relevance. It's entertainment. It's escapism. It's about living vicariously through the exploits of men with stones of tungsten carbide who spit in the face of death to race at breakneck speeds. It should remain something beyond reality. It best serves that role if its cars remain representative of something you only could hope to own if you win the national lottery.

The I-4 engine formula allegedly will be cheaper to build and operate as well as more fuel efficient than the current V-8 or a blown V-6. It would be keeping to the spirit and best traditions of F1 if the teams were allowed to build the best blown I-4 that their technology and budget will allow. But if he teams employ SOTA materials and technology, they will thwart the FIA rationale. So the FIA must impose all manner of further artificial restrictions, bringing F1 another step closer to (some would say beyond) being a spec series.

The FIA hope to achieve a 35% increase in petrol mileage. If successful, that still would come to less than 5.5 mpg (US), 47 litres/100 km. This green movement in F1 will in no wise be satisfied with 47 l/100 km so that 35% can only be the first step toward this:

[What's Burning?]

"Relevance" is a red herring. If you carry the "relevance" theme to its logical end, F1 should be driving stock cars. Not NASCAR stock cars, showroom stock cars. There is no logical stopping point between here and there.

F1 isn't, has never been and should never be about relevance. It's entertainment. It's escapism. It's about living vicariously through the exploits of men with stones of tungsten carbide who spit in the face of death to race at breakneck speeds. It should remain something beyond reality. It best serves that role if its cars remain representative of something you only could hope to own if you win the national lottery.

The I-4 engine formula allegedly will be cheaper to build and operate as well as more fuel efficient than the current V-8 or a blown V-6. It would be keeping to the spirit and best traditions of F1 if the teams were allowed to build the best blown I-4 that their technology and budget will allow. But if he teams employ SOTA materials and technology, they will thwart the FIA rationale. So the FIA must impose all manner of further artificial restrictions, bringing F1 another step closer to (some would say beyond) being a spec series.

The FIA hope to achieve a 35% increase in petrol mileage. If successful, that still would come to less than 5.5 mpg (US), 47 litres/100 km. This green movement in F1 will in no wise be satisfied with 47 l/100 km so that 35% can only be the first step toward this:

Being green used to be as easy as putting a green stripe on a tire.

[killem2]

Is that montoya at the top of the picture.

[bud]

Ecclestone probably wont live to 2013 to put up a fight.

[darwin dali]

Ecclestone probably wont live to 2013 to put up a fight.

[Hammer278]

Ecclestone probably wont live to 2013 to put up a fight.

I propose banning bud for wishing death on Bernie Ecclestone!!!

Stirring the pot...and being 'the media'. Don't mind me.

[Jamie]

Ecclestone probably wont live to 2013 to put up a fight.

Oi Oi, if he keeps our engines the way they are! and doesn't make it Formula bloody asia one then I am okay with it, not that I have anything against Asia but we need more British races! Keep the classics, these amazing new techno ones? I would prefer France over it any day!

It's not about the money! It's about the people

[vlad]

He is 80...
His favorite song is "Who wants to live forever' by Queen...

[Jensonb]

Playing devil's advocate...

Can anyone provide a single reason the new engines will ruin the sport? So far all I'm hearing is "Waaaaahhhhh I don't like change!!!!!" - indeed, that's basically Ferrari's reaction to everything, because they think they're running the show.

However, I seem to recall we heard very similar whining about moving from V10s to V8s.

It's been a while and...Nobody cares. Indeed, now we have people whining about moving from the V8s.

[What's Burning?]

Playing devil's advocate...

Can anyone provide a single reason the new engines will ruin the sport? So far all I'm hearing is "Waaaaahhhhh I don't like change!!!!!" - indeed, that's basically Ferrari's reaction to everything, because they think they're running the show.

However, I seem to recall we heard very similar whining about moving from V10s to V8s.

It's been a while and...Nobody cares. Indeed, now we have people whining about moving from the V8s.

So far the only reason given is that they'll sound different. But it does depend on how much of a cookie cutter engine we'll get, in the end no one wants a sealed engine even if it had 16 cylinders. Differing solutions to a set of rules all of which push the technology envelope is what makes F1 the spectacle we love.

[scotty]

I just can't really see the point, it strikes me as making a major change for the sake of it.

[What's Burning?]

I just can't really see the point, it strikes me as making a major change for the sake of it.

The reason way back was to standardize engine size with the WRC cars, which would give some credence to the relevance factor. I'm all for bringing new blood into the sport (competent new blood) and if it helps to bring in a couple of new manufactures and engine suppliers that are committed to the sport, both financially and with a desire to win races then why not.