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[Nin-Chin]

Lewis Hamilton has described Sebastian Vettel as 'lucky' as the Red Bull driver strives to win a third successive title.

Fresh from Hamilton's public proclamation that Fernando Alonso - the only other driver who still possesses a realistic chance of stopping Vettel becoming a three-time World Champion this year - would be a "deserved" victor at the end of this season, the remark is sure to fuel suspicion that Hamilton still believes only Alonso is his equal.

"When I won the world championship, I wasn't as lucky as Sebastian has been to have a car that's as dominant the next year as well," Hamilton told reporters in Delhi.

"I'm very sad that we've not been able to win another world championship. I feel that we, as a team, are good enough to have done so and I feel that I'm good enough to have done so.

"For whatever reason it hasn't happened and I'm not going to complain. For the rest of the year now it's just to try and help the team win the Constructors' Championship."


Hamilton's own title hopes effectively came to a premature end two weeks ago when he collected just a solitary point in Korea and the likelihood is that even four consecutive victories in the remaining races of the season - and his McLaren career - would still be insufficient to trump both Vettel and Alonso.

"Realistically we are too far away, I would say, to win the drivers' title. If we did through some kind of miracle, then I'll eat my words," added Lewis.

Meanwhile, Hamilton is moving closer towards making an amicable departure from McLaren. Almost a month after it was announced that he would be breaking his ties with the team for whom he has driven since boyhood, Hamilton visited McLaren's HQ last week and has made contact with Ron Dennis, the former McLaren team boss who mentored his progression into F1.

"I spoke to Ron," confirmed Hamilton. "We are planning to meet up, I think it's in Abu Dhabi. We'll go for a dinner, have a good chat."

[racechick]

In 09 how many mistakes did Brawn/Merc make?

Can't remember.

[f1ea]

Lewis has not given Mclaren anything extraordinary to what he has been given. He was given a championship winning car, the best car on championship pts on his rook season. And a solid team for yrs, maybe until this season.

He got great results and won the championship based on the team being practically flawless, specially compared to Ferrari which was 1) dealing with the fact they had to reverse strategy as Massa was fastest, 2) had pit/strategy faults and 3) had reliability issues.

I'm not saying Lewis did bad. I'm saying the same mistakes you empty and variable lot now blame Mclaren for, were the same thing that made him look so good when it was him making small mistakes and the team providing either the car or solid performance as cushion.

Because fact is, Mclaren were solid in both 07 and 08. And even with the "farce" as you call it from Belgium he would have fairly and cleanly lost the wdc without Ferrari reliability and mistakes.

The way Massa drove that season, you can say Ferrari cost him the wdc, by the same measure you guys claim Mclaren are letting him down; except you guys now even add that they may be doing it on purpose. hahaha talk about dense. At least Mclaren aren't racing Lewis eh

Only Mclaren reliabilty and mistake cost championships, the several blown engines, front brakes etc from RB, or faulty pit stops and blown engines from Ferrari mean nothing. Basically... nobody has had a deserving WDC since Lewis, and yet... every single WDC since has been won more convincingly than his fluke.

Bud is the only real Lewis fan here. The only HONEST support. Now he has to argue with the new wave of "ex Mclaren fans".

Weak, variable and hypocritical views. And then throw hissy fits when you get called upon.

A big Monza-style Boo for you guys.

[racechick]

Buds a McLaren fan. Next year he'll be supporting Button and Perez. Yes he's an honest fan, an honest McLaren fan. I'm a Lewis fan and next year I'll be supporting Lewis. Don't tell me I'm not an honest Lewis fan.

[f1ea]

Buds a McLaren fan. Next year he'll be supporting Button and Perez. Yes he's an honest fan, an honest McLaren fan. I'm a Lewis fan and next year I'll be supporting Lewis. Don't tell me I'm not an honest Lewis fan.

He's a Lewis fan too. I've seen 'im.

You are a Lewis fan. But double standared. Sorry, can't be honest if your views on team mistakes, team orders, team support and so on keep changing, and driver mistakes are consistently selective

[myownalias]

@Myown but Lewis is in F1, that's a silly argument. You don't know what would have happened if Mclaren hadn't sponsored him. Maybe Mercedes would have done it on their own and the whole outfit would now be dominating. You can't argue what might have, only what is.

Why is it a silly argument? we don't know what would have happened; but you can not argue about the fact that if McLaren hadn't picked up Lewis early on; his path into F1 would have been much tougher; chances are; he would not have walked into top drive; which probably would have meant that his 2008 world title wouldn't have happened in all likelyhood. It's wholly unfair to blame McLaren wholesale for Lewis' failure to secure more than one title; although I will give you this year; McLaren have up way too much for a top team.

[Jabberwocky]

I suppose if you think about it if a driver can build a team around him and make a success of it, a driver can also destroy a team!

[f1boy]

If McLaren had any clue at all it really should have been Lewis as number one next year and Button leaving imo.
McLaren are going to look like fools next year and will have no one to blame but themselves and Button for the debacle.

Take a look at the front cover of this weeks Autosport.....lol.

Button - "I'm number one now"............oh dear, what a complete twat he is.

[Hammer278]

@Myown but Lewis is in F1, that's a silly argument. You don't know what would have happened if Mclaren hadn't sponsored him. Maybe Mercedes would have done it on their own and the whole outfit would now be dominating. You can't argue what might have, only what is.

Why is it a silly argument? we don't know what would have happened; but you can not argue about the fact that if McLaren hadn't picked up Lewis early on; his path into F1 would have been much tougher; chances are; he would not have walked into top drive; which probably would have meant that his 2008 world title wouldn't have happened in all likelyhood. It's wholly unfair to blame McLaren wholesale for Lewis' failure to secure more than one title; although I will give you this year; McLaren have up way too much for a top team.

Why are we considering his 'path' to F1? That is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is his career in this sport and the strength of the Lewis-McLaren partnership in Formula 1!

Are we going to take other guy's paths into F1 as well? If Vettel's parents had forbid him racing and forced him to sing, Justin Bieber might not be doing solo right now...see where we are going? Nowhere!

[Hammer278]

Lewis has not given Mclaren anything extraordinary to what he has been given. He was given a championship winning car, the best car on championship pts on his rook season. And a solid team for yrs, maybe until this season.

He got great results and won the championship based on the team being practically flawless, specially compared to Ferrari which was 1) dealing with the fact they had to reverse strategy as Massa was fastest, 2) had pit/strategy faults and 3) had reliability issues.

I'm not saying Lewis did bad. I'm saying the same mistakes you empty and variable lot now blame Mclaren for, were the same thing that made him look so good when it was him making small mistakes and the team providing either the car or solid performance as cushion.

Because fact is, Mclaren were solid in both 07 and 08. And even with the "farce" as you call it from Belgium he would have fairly and cleanly lost the wdc without Ferrari reliability and mistakes.

The way Massa drove that season, you can say Ferrari cost him the wdc, by the same measure you guys claim Mclaren are letting him down; except you guys now even add that they may be doing it on purpose. hahaha talk about dense. At least Mclaren aren't racing Lewis eh

Only Mclaren reliabilty and mistake cost championships, the several blown engines, front brakes etc from RB, or faulty pit stops and blown engines from Ferrari mean nothing. Basically... nobody has had a deserving WDC since Lewis, and yet... every single WDC since has been won more convincingly than his fluke.

Bud is the only real Lewis fan here. The only HONEST support. Now he has to argue with the new wave of "ex Mclaren fans".

Weak, variable and hypocritical views. And then throw hissy fits when you get called upon.

A big Monza-style Boo for you guys.

Nice way to close off another clueless post....obviously you're posting in this thread just to rile people up. It's way too obvious mate, let go of the hate already.

[myownalias]

@Myown but Lewis is in F1, that's a silly argument. You don't know what would have happened if Mclaren hadn't sponsored him. Maybe Mercedes would have done it on their own and the whole outfit would now be dominating. You can't argue what might have, only what is.

Why is it a silly argument? we don't know what would have happened; but you can not argue about the fact that if McLaren hadn't picked up Lewis early on; his path into F1 would have been much tougher; chances are; he would not have walked into top drive; which probably would have meant that his 2008 world title wouldn't have happened in all likelyhood. It's wholly unfair to blame McLaren wholesale for Lewis' failure to secure more than one title; although I will give you this year; McLaren have up way too much for a top team.

Why are we considering his 'path' to F1? That is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is his career in this sport and the strength of the Lewis-McLaren partnership in Formula 1!

I'm sorry, I thought this thread covered all things Lewis Hamilton? his path into F1 is very relevant given that is part of his relationship with McLaren.

[What's Burning?]

I suppose if you think about it if a driver can build a team around him and make a success of it, a driver can also destroy a team!

What are you accusing Button of?

[What's Burning?]

A big Monza-style Boo for you guys.

Nice way to close off another clueless post....obviously you're posting in this thread just to rile people up. It's way too obvious mate, let go of the hate already.

but, but... without hate, life would be so empty.

[Hammer278]

@Myown but Lewis is in F1, that's a silly argument. You don't know what would have happened if Mclaren hadn't sponsored him. Maybe Mercedes would have done it on their own and the whole outfit would now be dominating. You can't argue what might have, only what is.

Why is it a silly argument? we don't know what would have happened; but you can not argue about the fact that if McLaren hadn't picked up Lewis early on; his path into F1 would have been much tougher; chances are; he would not have walked into top drive; which probably would have meant that his 2008 world title wouldn't have happened in all likelyhood. It's wholly unfair to blame McLaren wholesale for Lewis' failure to secure more than one title; although I will give you this year; McLaren have up way too much for a top team.

Why are we considering his 'path' to F1? That is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is his career in this sport and the strength of the Lewis-McLaren partnership in Formula 1!

I'm sorry, I thought this thread covered all things Lewis Hamilton? his path into F1 is very relevant given that is part of his relationship with McLaren.

Not in terms of assessing who the weaker link is between the two in F1...which is the crux of the argument here. McLaren made an investment in Lewis just as Lewis made an investment with them. If Lewis drove like an idiot in lower categories, are Mclaren going to do him a favour and still snap him up? Hell no, they took him because they can make use of him and he delivered them a WDC.

If you want to take it before F1, we might have to start giving credit to Vettel's parents for him earning 2 WDCs now.

[f1ea]

Nice way to close off another clueless post....obviously you're posting in this thread just to rile people up. It's way too obvious mate, let go of the hate already.

Several peple have commented already. None of them were "riled up". The post was a very long one, but you choose to make a truly clueless comment on the least relevant of sentences, to then "decide" on the intention of my post.

Talk about clueless......