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[What's Burning?]

... I completely agree in a school environment... ALL are good points.

So you believe that competitiveness is the ultimate teacher? That in every situation
there has to be a winner and a loser, because there is no place for team accomplishments?
That learning how to work together and putting that into effect is useless because, in the
end the world is only about the survival of the fittest?

In the sport of F1?

[Cyril Sneer Racing]

Hammer, rewatching this now. After the yellow Rosberg was faster over 10+ laps, as well as after the pits, but then lost .9 seconds in a single lap and .5 the next. He also had the fastest laps before this happened. That is exactly what I remember that indicated something was wrong.

Rosberg was using a fair bit more fuel during this next stint and it wasn't long before it was confirmed there was an energy problem. Rosberg also radioed in asking a question as though there was a big difference in the cars. This indicates to me that Rosberg was having problems well before it was confirmed in Hamilton's car. On lap 33 they're lapping more than half a second slower. And the commentators started asking questions about Hamilton's speed on lap 34/45.

Edit: Looks like Lewis lost .9s on lap 36, and then was fast again afterwards. The cars were going in and out of power, so there was something going on with the cars throughout much of the race, I think.

[Roth]

... I completely agree in a school environment... ALL are good points.

So you believe that competitiveness is the ultimate teacher? That in every situation
there has to be a winner and a loser, because there is no place for team accomplishments?
That learning how to work together and putting that into effect is useless because, in the
end the world is only about the survival of the fittest?

That would explain a lot!

There's a reason why all teammates fighting for the title become frosty. On Sesame Street it's called Mine-itus.

[sagi58]

... I completely agree in a school environment... ALL are good points.

So you believe that competitiveness is the ultimate teacher? That in every situation
there has to be a winner and a loser, because there is no place for team accomplishments?
That learning how to work together and putting that into effect is useless because, in the
end the world is only about the survival of the fittest?

In the sport of F1?

Sure, but, let's be specific, in Team Mercedes. After all, we've been told that the team comes first.

It's been celebrated that Hamilton and Rosberg are allowed to race, indicating a collaborative and
co-operative environment.

However, their competitiveness is compromising that collaboration and co-operation, creating a chasm
into which the team may well have fallen.

Granted, this year, it would seem that Mercedes doesn't have to worry about gambling away the Constructor's
Championship (team accomplishment); but, what if there was more competition? Should they allow the drivers'
competitive nature/survival of the fittest mentality to jeopardize that title?

No point responding as a fan, since that answer is going to be obvious, since you're a Hamilton fan.
Put yourself in Woolf's shoes, in Lauda's shoes...

[What's Burning?]

... I completely agree in a school environment... ALL are good points.

So you believe that competitiveness is the ultimate teacher? That in every situation
there has to be a winner and a loser, because there is no place for team accomplishments?
That learning how to work together and putting that into effect is useless because, in the
end the world is only about the survival of the fittest?

In the sport of F1?

Sure, but, let's be specific, in Team Mercedes. After all, we've been told that the team comes first.

It's been celebrated that Hamilton and Rosberg are allowed to race, indicating a collaborative and
co-operative environment.

However, their competitiveness is compromising that collaboration and co-operation, creating a chasm
into which the team may well have fallen.

Granted, this year, it would seem that Mercedes doesn't have to worry about gambling away the Constructor's
Championship (team accomplishment); but, what if there was more competition? Should they allow the drivers'
competitive nature/survival of the fittest mentality to jeopardize that title?

No point responding as a fan, since that answer is going to be obvious, since you're a Hamilton fan.
Put yourself in Woolf's shoes, in Lauda's shoes...

So you're saying that it's okay to win at all cost and survival of the fittest blah blah, when you're the team against another team, but not between drivers competing for a driver's championship? How is anything you're saying even make sense when Ferrari over and over again has pushed one driver over the other to specifically win a driver's championship?

I'm not going to argue with your "logic" since it keeps moving, so far in fact that it eventually comes full circle and you disagree with even your own original point. We're talking about drivers sharing data where only one driver benefits (a point where your rationale was that F1 should be like school and have a stronger student teach a weaker student) and now your rationale for that happening is about team coming first because of a hypothetical potential loss of a constructor's championship.

It's been nice chatting but here's were I get off.

[spankyham]

I remember Nico asking about his teammates current brake balance not too long before their trouble started. He was told over the radio Lewis had more rear bias.


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[sagi58]

It's been nice chatting but here's were I get off.

[Hammer278]

I remember Nico asking about his teammates current brake balance not too long before their trouble started. He was told over the radio Lewis had more rear bias.


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Yes. Which probably also contributed to Lewis' brake failure since he was on the rear bias for much longer and then the MGU trouble kicked in to put even more pressure on the brakes. Only Lewis found it out himself during the race (for more pace) while Nico needed to copy again while racing.

[geetface9]

Interesting how many Nico 'fans' are suddenly coming out of the woodwork, even more in number now than after the first few races, when they vanished as Lewis won 4 in a row to catch up.

I've been here the whole time just ask RC

[Hammer278]

Interesting how many Nico 'fans' are suddenly coming out of the woodwork, even more in number now than after the first few races, when they vanished as Lewis won 4 in a row to catch up.

I've been here the whole time just ask RC

Nope...you were a Webber fan and clearly said before you're no Rosberg fan, you just prefer him over Hamilton.

It's cool if you'd like to graduate to a Rosberg fan...since you have no one to cheer for at the moment except for <EDIT WB>Maldonado.

[What's Burning?]

It's cool if you'd like to graduate to a Rosberg fan...since you have no one to cheer for at the moment except for Crashtor.

That's a bit harsh.

17 Adrian Sutil German Sauber-Ferrari 0
18 Marcus Ericsson Swedish Caterham-Renault 0
19 Esteban Gutierrez Mexican Sauber-Ferrari 0
20 Max Chilton British Marussia-Ferrari 0
21 Kamui Kobayashi Japanese Caterham-Renault 0
22 Pastor Maldonado Venezuelan Lotus-Renault 0

Venezuela must be so proud.

[CookinFlat6]

...The problem was noticed first on Nico's car, but it doesn't mean that Hamilton had an advantage and there's a difference between losing power and brake failure, they are related but clearly manageable...

So... there were different problems!!
And, what you said in response, to me...

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Was not nice!

((NOT that I was heartbroken, in the first place!! ))

No the problem is the MGU-K the degree of manifestation is clearly different. Yes you are still wrong in your original generalized comment which added only to being contrarian as usual.

Being contrarian implies having an argument, an argument logically contrarian to the prevailing argument. Without a logical argument in place its not being contrarian, just being annoying especially if the premise for opposition changes constantly changes focus

In debating forms argumentum a contrario is not putting up singular objection whereas argumentum ad ignorantiam i,s if the objection can be discredited

The joys of open debate have remained the same for a millinia

[What's Burning?]

...The problem was noticed first on Nico's car, but it doesn't mean that Hamilton had an advantage and there's a difference between losing power and brake failure, they are related but clearly manageable...

So... there were different problems!!
And, what you said in response, to me...

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Was not nice!

((NOT that I was heartbroken, in the first place!! ))

No the problem is the MGU-K the degree of manifestation is clearly different. Yes you are still wrong in your original generalized comment which added only to being contrarian as usual.

Being contrarian implies having an argument, an argument logically contrarian to the prevailing argument. Without a logical argument in place its not being contrarian, just being annoying especially if the premise for opposition changes constantly changes focus

I apologize, English is my second language.

[geetface9]

Interesting how many Nico 'fans' are suddenly coming out of the woodwork, even more in number now than after the first few races, when they vanished as Lewis won 4 in a row to catch up.

I've been here the whole time just ask RC

Nope...you were a Webber fan and clearly said before you're no Rosberg fan, you just prefer him over Hamilton.

It's cool if you'd like to graduate to a Rosberg fan...since you have no one to cheer for at the moment except for <EDIT WB>Maldonado.

I think you're right, I did say that I merely preferred rosberg to hamilton. LET IT BE KNOWN HENCE FORTH, I AM NOW A ROSBERG FAN AS OF MARCH 2014 And I'll definitely be cheering for <EDIT WB>Maldonado for a long time to come!

[What's Burning?]

Interesting how many Nico 'fans' are suddenly coming out of the woodwork, even more in number now than after the first few races, when they vanished as Lewis won 4 in a row to catch up.

I've been here the whole time just ask RC

Nope...you were a Webber fan and clearly said before you're no Rosberg fan, you just prefer him over Hamilton.

It's cool if you'd like to graduate to a Rosberg fan...since you have no one to cheer for at the moment except for <EDIT WB>Maldonado.

I think you're right, I did say that I merely preferred rosberg to hamilton. LET IT BE KNOWN HENCE FORTH, I AM NOW A ROSBERG FAN AS OF MARCH 2014 And I'll definitely be cheering for <EDIT WB>Maldonado for a long time to come!

That was my best tribute to you! So let it be written, so let it be done.